Party 10/20 JJ

Nate tha' Great · #1 08-16-2004, 07:57 PM

Party 10/20 short. I raise three limpers in the BB with black JJ. Limpers seem to play okay and I'm thinking about abandoning the table.

Flop A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] rag [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I bet and limpers in UTG and MP call.

Turn Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. I check, UTG bets, MP folds. I call.

River blank no flush no str8 I check and call.

imitation · #2 08-16-2004, 08:03 PM

Seems a valid line to minimise variance and get to SD as cheaply as possible. Shown ATo?

Zele · #3 08-17-2004, 08:51 AM

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Seems a valid line to minimise variance and get to SD as cheaply as possible.

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Worst possible reason for any poker decision. This kind of thinking is really dangerous.

imitation · #4 08-17-2004, 09:50 AM

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Seems a valid line to minimise variance and get to SD as cheaply as possible.

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Worst possible reason for any poker decision. This kind of thinking is really dangerous.

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I might have over simplified what i was trying to say, what I meant was that obviously he had some kind of a read which suggested there was a good enough chance he was ahead to stay in the hand but didn't feel comfortable betting the turn and folding to a raise from this player. If he thinks he's got the best of it on the turn for sure then I think it should have been a bet out.

Zele · #5 08-17-2004, 10:41 AM

Yes, I like that reasoning much better. [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

chio · #6 08-17-2004, 01:08 PM

since when is it our main goal to "minimize variance" during a hand?

Peter_rus · #7 08-16-2004, 08:26 PM

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Limpers seem to play okay

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Is it a joke? [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]

The rest seem nice except maybe river call - i think it's borderline depending on opponent you facing.

schubes · #8 08-16-2004, 09:32 PM

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The rest seem nice except maybe river call - i think it's borderline depending on opponent you facing.

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I think the river is less borderline than the turn - he has to check-call. A missed draw or maybe a T will often bet here. A Q may check behind. He doesn't have to be winning too often to show a profit with this pot size.

Peter_rus · #9 08-16-2004, 09:39 PM

On turn he catched straight draw which if completed in many situations may be good.

schubes · #10 08-16-2004, 09:46 PM

Not so simple. He's getting 6.5:1 odds to call, and it's 6.66:1 to hit 6 outs. His JJ may be the best hand, but his 2 outs for a set may not be clean. It's borderline, and calling, betting out, or folding is more dependent on your opponent than the river action, IMO.