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#1
10-21-2005, 03:00 PM
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$10/$20 hand-what would you do??
Ok here goes. $10/$20 game. I limp from early position with 8h8c after a guy UTG limps just off the BB. A MP two seats after me raises and everybody calls including the blinds. At this point there's like $100 in the pot and I'm in the pot with 4 opponents. The flop comes down Qh 7h 2c. It gets checked around (hmmmm). The turn comes Qs. So the board is Qh 7h 2c Qs. The SB checks and the BB bets out and its to me with a few guys behind me. What do I do?
Results to follow later, Indy 
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#2
10-21-2005, 03:04 PM
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Re: $10/$20 hand-what would you do??
I think it's raise or fold time. A read on the turn bettor would be helpful, but I'd lean towards a raise.
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#4
10-21-2005, 03:50 PM
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Re: $10/$20 hand-what would you do??
I completely agree. I think the OP is normally either sitting pretty or royally screwed. BB could completely play this way with a queen, with the whole "check to the raiser" thing, but it would really depend on how the opponents are. If uncertain about the table, a default raise could theoretically drive out overcards and/or weak preflop raiser (i.e. 99-JJ, AK?).
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#5
10-21-2005, 04:05 PM
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Re: $10/$20 hand-what would you do??
Exactly, I actually thought the big blind might have me here and missed a CR opportunity on the flop. Of course I couldnt be sure...But I think betting on the flop is the wrong move regardless of any other variable.
Indy
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#6
10-21-2005, 04:25 PM
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Re: $10/$20 hand-what would you do??
It would normally be foolish to disagree with Jeffage on any play advice, but I would probably check the flop as well. It is moments like this that separates the good players from the bad players. My move on the turn?...err, whatever you want to do.
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#7
10-21-2005, 04:30 PM
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Re: $10/$20 hand-what would you do??
No disrespect to Jeffage. I don't post here a lot as I am a NL player. However, this hand got me thinking about what to do and I had to post it. He could be right but it doesn't seem right to me. Again, I am just a simple No Limit player and in a NL game the options for play differ significantly.
Indy
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#8
10-21-2005, 03:23 PM
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Re: $10/$20 hand-what would you do??
I'd bet that flop to gain info.
I raise the turn. The BB could easily have a 7 or a 2 here (In fact I would say that more probable than a Q). The chances of someone having a queen in late position have been reduced by: A) There are now only 2 outstanding B) I would expect a late position player to bet the flop with a queen to drive out hands with 1 overcard.
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#9
10-21-2005, 10:01 PM
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Re: $10/$20 hand-what would you do??
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I'd bet that flop to gain info. [/ QUOTE ] What information do you gain by betting this? If the raiser calls, you are ahead? or maybe behind. What about if he raises? Then you could easily be ahead or behind, but who knows which. Well, at least you opened the betting so that, if the pfr was actually going to check, you could get check-raised by a Q and actually have paid more than necessary to ensure that you do not get a chance to draw out on the turn. Huh? It's MUCH cheaper to just check to the raiser here and let the action from his autobet back to you let you decide what to do. If he bets and everybody folds, you might continue. He bets and gets action? fold. He checks? Woo hoo, free turn. You are slightly ahead or way behind. This is not the time to ensure a Q can check-raise. my 2 cents. eric
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#10
10-21-2005, 03:27 PM
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Re: $10/$20 hand-what would you do??
Definitely bet the flop. You might be best and you might be raised by a worse hand. How do you feel about free cards if your 8's are currently good?
As played, go ahead and raise the turn. If you get reraised fold. Then play well on the river. Jeff
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