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Should I have been in this hand still?
My question is on the flop. The Pot was big and I had an inside str8 draw, backdoor flush draw and an overcard that probably was no good. Do I call the first 2 bets to me on the flop? I think I have to call the 2nd 2 since I called the first. The turn is an easy call. Is this a good call or am I a fish.
Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (9 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls. Flop: (10 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises</font>, MP1 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, Hero calls, SB calls. Turn: (11 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls. |
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Re: Should I have been in this hand still?
This hand is frighteningly like a hand in SSH. Ed Miller proports you rereaise. The pot is more than big enough to continue, and you would like to see all 5 cards. so the best thing to do it reraise in an attempt to buy a free card on the turn. Even though you didn't, you're definitely calling the 2 back to you after you called the original 2.
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Re: Should I have been in this hand still?
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This hand is frighteningly like a hand in SSH. Ed Miller proports you rereaise. The pot is more than big enough to continue, and you would like to see all 5 cards. so the best thing to do it reraise in an attempt to buy a free card on the turn. Even though you didn't, you're definitely calling the 2 back to you after you called the original 2. [/ QUOTE ] I think in order for a 3-bet to have any value here, we need to be VERY sure that we're gonna get the free card. |
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Re: Should I have been in this hand still?
3 bet for free card is best approach to playing the hand, I agree. but I'm happy to walk away.
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Re: Should I have been in this hand still?
hmm if you discount your 3 ace outs (which I think is wise) then you are looking at 23 to 1 to runner runner a flush and 10 to 1 to hit the inside straight on the next card. You got 7 to 1 on your first cold call and 9 to 1 on your second. Looks like you made the same mistake twice on the same street
On preview I don't mind a raise either it is certainly a better option then calling. Although I would still fold. |
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Re: Should I have been in this hand still?
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hmm if you discount your 3 ace outs (which I think is wise) then you are looking at 23 to 1 to runner runner a flush and 10 to 1 to hit the inside straight on the next card. You got 7 to 1 on your first cold call and 9 to 1 on your second. Looks like you made the same mistake twice on the same street [/ QUOTE ] the second call getting 9:1 is definitely justified with the gutshot and bdfd. 1/11 + 1/24 > 1/10. the first call is thin, but I think implied odds can justify a call in the right situation. If you think sb there is a good chance of sb reraising then it's a great fold, so making this call against an overaggressive sb is bad. I don't like raising this, I think you're getting a free card fairly rarely here. It's hard enough to get the free card in 3/6 against just one opponent who likes his hand. |
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Re: Should I have been in this hand still?
I can give you three answers: fold, fold, and fold.
1. on the flop you're getting 3.25:1. nowhere close to what you need. 2. you could play for the river. assume you get the 6.5sb's plus 4sb's on the turn plus 2 sb's on the river = 12.5sb's, and that it only costs you 2 sb's on each the flop and the turn. that's 3 and change to 1. still no good. 5 outs with two cards is more like 4:1 against. 3. all these scenarios assume no more raising and when pf raiser gets raised there's too much chance he's not going to take it quiety. ie, you're going to spewing dinero. |
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Re: Should I have been in this hand still?
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1. on the flop you're getting 3.25:1. [/ QUOTE ] He's getting immediate odds of 6.5-to-1 on the first flop call and 10-to-1 on the second flop call (assuming SB's call of the cap). |
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Re: Should I have been in this hand still?
right, right, that's what I had but I'm too tired (divided twice). it's not "nowhere close", but it doesn't do it for 5 or so outs.
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Re: Should I have been in this hand still?
I know I should know this but how many outs do we count a backdoor flush draw as?
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