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04-20-2005, 09:24 PM
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Dealer Tips
There's been a whole lot on here lately regarding dealer tips. Enough is enough. As far as what dealers make I find it offencive that someone would ask. I've had people actually ask me, while dealing, how much a dealer makes. What would you do if your local dealer came to your job and asked what you make? Not that I or anyone else should be ashamed of what we make but why would any dealer in their right mind come on a public forum and announce what they make? There are a lot of dealers that frequent this forum. Ever wonder why nobody, that deals for a living, ever answers the question?
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04-21-2005, 03:36 AM
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Re: Dealer Tips
Card dealers are overpaid for the unnecessary service that they provide. Why should an unskilled employee at a casino be in the same income bracket of an auto mechanic.? Why should this same dealer be paid the same as an electrician, plumber, or teacher? Competent and adequate dealers require approximately the same level of intelligence as a cashier to be proficient at their occupation. The only “skill” that is required is the ability to handle a deck of playing cards Above that “skill” the only variable effecting dealer proficiency is attitude.
I believe that “professions” that are grouped in the same income bracket should be required to have approximately the same amount of intelligence, training, and education. Card dealers who happen to have an exceptionally good attitude, dealers who are good natured, and run a smooth game, deserve to be “toked” occasionally for their extra effort. The rest of the card dealers who merely possess the “skills” to handle a deck of cards and deal them deserve the minimum wage that they earn for the work they do. There is no such thing as a mandatory tip. Ever. Those of you in the service industry who think that you deserve more because you don’t get paid enough by your employer can take a hike. If you expect a “toke” from Shawn P you better have been extraordinarily good at you job when I won a substantial pot, otherwise phuck off. Those of you who appreciate the opportunity to make more of yourself, to make a better life for yourself and your family, who have the necessary “skill” and attitude to make it in this industry; I wish you the best and throw you a white chip. For the rest of the ungrateful bustards (mostly men in my experience) who hate their job and their lives, suck it up and don’t “rain on my parade” at the poker table. I enjoy live poker. I enjoy live poker most when the dealer is acting in a professional manner, and not like a kid. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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#4
04-21-2005, 04:22 AM
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Re: Dealer Tips
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Card dealers are overpaid for the unnecessary service that they provide. [/ QUOTE ] I like this part here alot. "unnecessary service". Pick up the cards and take turns dealing them your [censored] self then. Sadly, you will soon be broke when half the table is running mechanics with the cards. [ QUOTE ] Why should an unskilled employee at a casino be in the same income bracket of an auto mechanic.? [/ QUOTE ] Just because you sit and watch good dealers make their job look easy does not mean it is. "unskilled employee" LOL. Really showing your ignorance here. [ QUOTE ] Why should this same dealer be paid the same as an electrician, plumber, or teacher? [/ QUOTE ] You put teachers in the same pay scale as electricians? LOL. Again, the ignorance. Anyway, please remind me if you will what baseball players make a year and compare that with teachers make. Does any of it really make sense? [ QUOTE ] Competent and adequate dealers require approximately the same level of intelligence as a cashier to be proficient at their occupation. [/ QUOTE ] Wrong. [ QUOTE ] I believe that “professions” that are grouped in the same income bracket should be required to have approximately the same amount of intelligence, training, and education. Card dealers who happen to have an exceptionally good attitude, dealers who are good natured, and run a smooth game, deserve to be “toked” occasionally for their extra effort. The rest of the card dealers who merely possess the “skills” to handle a deck of cards and deal them deserve the minimum wage that they earn for the work they do. There is no such thing as a mandatory tip. Ever. Those of you in the service industry who think that you deserve more because you don’t get paid enough by your employer can take a hike. If you expect a “toke” from Shawn P you better have been extraordinarily good at you job when I won a substantial pot, otherwise phuck off. [/ QUOTE ] You're sad and a true stiff. I am guessing you are definatley a losing player too. Your approach to everything is wrong. If tokes are eating into your wallet that bad then you are simply not a winning player. It has been my experience that the more liberal you are with your money, the easier it comes back around. When you don't toke the dealer, they notice and it begins to send out a bad "vibe" between the two. Maybe this adversly affects you. Maybe not. But I would rather have a dealer on my side and rooting for me to win because he will get paid as well. You are obviously to stupid to understand this concept.... Keep showing your ass stiff. Society loves stiffs. They're popular. LOL
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#6
04-22-2005, 01:45 PM
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Re: Dealer Tips
Not to mention the extreme mental concentration to keep track of the exact money in ever pot for 8 hours straight. I know he will probably respnd with "well i do that too". but you dont do this for 8-12 hours straight you only do it in pots with which you are involved. also if there are newer players at the table the dealing has to help them understand the rules, count the pot, make sure action is flowing smoothly, make sure nothing is out of the ordinary, all while doing numerous calculations in his head. im not saying dealers are more intelligent then teachers (which im sure some are because teaching just as anything as has varying degrees of excellence, all you have to do is take classes and pass an exam. intelligence has nothing to do with how hard you are willing to work. if you dont want to tip that is fine but dont put down the amount of work a dealer does. BTW I am not a dealer just respect the profession.
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#7
04-25-2005, 05:31 AM
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Re: Dealer Tips
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You put teachers in the same pay scale as electricians? LOL. Again, the ignorance. Anyway, please remind me if you will what baseball players make a year and compare that with teachers make. Does any of it really make sense? [/ QUOTE ] yes. it makes a lot of sense, for the same reasons that dealers, attractive cocktail waitresses, etc, make what they do in tips: they are providing entertainment and a service. theree is an aggreed upon value for that. Also, when a dealer can expect a tip every pot, if they deal well, it makes sense that encourages them to keep the game moving... IMO failing to tip people like dealers and bellhops and drivers isn't nesesarily wrong, but it totally lacks class... edit: of course, if somebody's doing a crappy job, i don't tip...
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#8
04-25-2005, 04:03 PM
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Re: Dealer Tips
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[ QUOTE ] You put teachers in the same pay scale as electricians? LOL. Again, the ignorance. Anyway, please remind me if you will what baseball players make a year and compare that with teachers make. Does any of it really make sense? [/ QUOTE ] yes. it makes a lot of sense, for the same reasons that dealers, attractive cocktail waitresses, etc, make what they do in tips: they are providing entertainment and a service. theree is an aggreed upon value for that. Also, when a dealer can expect a tip every pot, if they deal well, it makes sense that encourages them to keep the game moving... IMO failing to tip people like dealers and bellhops and drivers isn't nesesarily wrong, but it totally lacks class... edit: of course, if somebody's doing a crappy job, i don't tip... [/ QUOTE ] so it makes sense to you that our countrys' "agreed up value" for teaching our children is roughly $30,000 a year where as a ballplayer might make the same amount of money in the top of first?
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#9
04-21-2005, 05:12 AM
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Re: Dealer Tips
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Card dealers are overpaid for the unnecessary service that they provide. ...blah blah blah ...some more bullsh!t ...blah blah blah ...something about a kid, some sunglasses [/ QUOTE ] Wow, who actually trolls the B&M forum? What is this, the zoo???
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