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OESD + Flush draw turn decision
Villian seems to be LAG showing 54/14/2.1 over 35 hands
Paradise Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx UTG+1 ($12.75) UTG+2 ($35.25) MP1 ($53.50) MP2 ($58.25) MP3 ($18.75) CO ($43.75) Hero ($48.25) SB ($20.75) BB ($47.75) UTG ($14.00) Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.25. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $1</font>, UTG+2 calls $1, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls $1, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>. Flop: ($4.75) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets $0.5</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 raises to $1</font>, MP2 calls $1, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $10</font>, UTG+1 calls $9.50, UTG+2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to $19</font>, Hero calls $9, UTG+1 calls $1.75. Turn: ($55.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> MP2 bet $28 Hero??? Should I have pushed the flop after being raised or is a call better? When the board pairs I may be drawing dead so is it time to get out or do I roll the dice on my draws? |
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Re: OESD + Flush draw turn decision
there's enough dead money on the flop to push and be perfectly happy with it (precisely because you can get into this kind of situation on the turn. As played ...it sucks, but I probably fold
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Re: OESD + Flush draw turn decision
I push out of tilt
This will surprise you: <font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 68.4185 % 68.01% 00.46% { Td8d } Hand 2: 31.5815 % 31.15% 00.46% { Ac5c }</pre><hr /> |
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Re: OESD + Flush draw turn decision
[ QUOTE ]
I push out of tilt This will surprise you: <font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre> equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 68.4185 % 68.01% 00.46% { Td8d } Hand 2: 31.5815 % 31.15% 00.46% { Ac5c }</pre><hr /> [/ QUOTE ] that's on the flop O_o |
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Re: OESD + Flush draw turn decision
haha whoops no wonder it surprised me
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Re: OESD + Flush draw turn decision
OK the real numbers are more reasonable
<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>Board: 7d 5d 5h 6h Dead: equity (%) win (%) tie (%) Hand 1: 29.5496 % 29.72% 00.00% { Td8d } Hand 2: 70.4504 % 70.86% 00.00% { Ac5c } </pre><hr /> borderline fold, if you think you have implied odds if you hit you can call |
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Re: OESD + Flush draw turn decision
push flop and talk trash after you hit.
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Re: OESD + Flush draw turn decision
Yeah on the flop my hand is in good shape against most possible holdings. Right now I'm trying to learn how to better play hands like this. In the past my approach has generally been to call the flop and turn if the odds look good. My plan should be to take a free card on the turn if my flop bet is called and they check to me on a blank right? Should I generally just push the flop immediately and skip the $10 bet in this case?
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Re: OESD + Flush draw turn decision
His call raise on the flop doesn't make much sense to me with this many people in the pot.
I think he is as likely to have an 89 for a straight as he to have the full house/quads on the turn. 77: 3 ways 66: 3 ways 55: 1 way full house/quads total: 7 ways 89: 12 ways straight total: 12 ways If he has the straight he takes away 3 of your lower end straight outs and 1 of your higher end straight outs and leaves you with 11 outs for the river. In which case your getting close to the right pot odds to call. If either one of them has the full house or quads then your not getting the right pot odds to call. Also someone could have the higher flush draw here. Taking way those 9 outs. I think that you can fold on the turn. As for the flop, I don't mind the way you played it. The first raise had folding equity and then you had pot odds to call the reraise. I would have favored just calling on the flop rather than trying to semibluff 3 opponents that already called a small bet/raise. |
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Re: OESD + Flush draw turn decision
Pushing the flop is not a semibluff, it's a value bet.
Edit: if both villains have sets (at least one is likely), you're flipping. There's dead money in the pot. Easy push. |
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