AQo hell

boondockst · #1 10-07-2005, 10:47 AM

The PFR had some pretty tight stats...I'd easily fold to his PFR but not with all that money out there. Then once the flop came I had to see where I was at.

Once the flop came out, I had to see where I was....What street do i slow down? Anyone like the river bet? Ax Kh is the only thing i see calling.

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 5 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

Button ($40.35)
Hero ($85.65)
BB ($47.73)
UTG ($27.35)
MP ($33.85)

Preflop: Hero is SB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.10.
UTG calls $0.25, 1 fold, Button calls $0.25, Hero (poster) raises to $0.65, BB raises to $2.75, UTG calls $2.75, Button calls $2.75, Hero calls $2.25.

Flop: ($12) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero bets $5, BB calls $5, UTG calls $5, Button folds.

Turn: ($27) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $13, BB calls $13, UTG calls $13.

River: ($66) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets $13????

#2 10-07-2005, 10:58 AM

Oh boy.

Even with all the money out there, I like a fold preflop if this guy has tight stats. And now you know why.

I don't like that flop size bet. What are you trying to do?

After your flop bet get's called by BB and UTG, and the turn is probably the worst possible turn card imaginable, I give up, no more money of mine goes in the pot unless it get's checked around and I river an ace.

The river bet is a very bad bet. worse hands fold, and better hands call.

boondockst · #3 10-07-2005, 10:59 AM

So i should check/fold the turn and river in this ginormous pot? What do you put them on that they flat call the flop with? And with deeper stacks, I dont see how I can fold getting 4.33 to 1 closing the action.

#4 10-07-2005, 11:10 AM

Oh right didn't notice the deep stacks. It's not as bad as I thought, but I still fold preflop. The only way the deeper stacks are good for you is if you flop two pair or better, I rather have just about any other hand than AQo.

Well, BB could be trying to be 'sneaky' with AA, or could have AK and feels comfortable with you doing the betting, or have KK/QQ/JJ and can't lay it down. UTG might have a flush draw, maybe Ax, or maybe 22. I'd be very worried about the [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]'s thought from UTG

But about the preflop call, is there any hand that you wouldn't call with? Because AQo IMO is one of the worst to do it with

troymclur · #5 10-07-2005, 11:02 AM

Well, you underbet every street. I wouldn't even bet the river, but with such an underbet, damned near any haert will call, and with three players to the river, you can be sure that there's a decently high one out there.

Pot the flop, and if called, slow the hell down. Doubtful there's a fullhouse, though the river could have filled up the BB. To be honest, i think you were good until the river.

Unless of course some moron horribly played AK.

boondockst · #6 10-07-2005, 11:03 AM

Can someone please put them on hands? Because I sure as hell couldn't

And I am never EVER potting this flop against these players.

BTW all my bets were horrid attempts at faux "blocking bets"

First raise I was shutting down completely.

boondockst · #7 10-07-2005, 11:07 AM

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The river bet is a very bad bet. worse hands fold, and better hands call.

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Worse hands fold? There's nothing to draw to. Are you saying bet less so that AKo calls? "Worse hands fold" refers to turn bets or the size of a river bet. Are you suggesting i check/call to induce a bluff?

#8 10-07-2005, 11:12 AM

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Worse hands fold? There's nothing to draw to. Are you saying bet less so that AKo calls? "Worse hands fold" refers to turn bets or the size of a river bet. Are you suggesting i check/call to induce a bluff?

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That comment was about the river bet. I am suggesting that check/calling is better than betting. But better than both of those I think is check/folding

boondockst · #9 10-07-2005, 11:20 AM

All in all, a hellacious hand. A friend of mine was watching the hand and after the BB reraised preflop, I told him (teaching him the game) that based on his stats (one previous session too) I would easily lay it down unless both UTG and Button called.

I bet so weak on the flop so I could exit the hand easily. I admit it is a very poor strategy but I didn't want to bet the pot on the flop because if BB flat called and UTG pushed, I would still have tremendous odds to call and be in an even stickier situation. I was begging to be raised throughout the hand and it never happened. On the river, I honestly put BB on AK and prayed it wasn't Ax Kh. I suppose if he has that I want to check and hope he bets but I duno.

not to whine but i had just lost with AA on an A9Tr flop to JJ all in on flop (KQ)

my head was spinning and this AQ hand made me sick for 15 minutes after i played it.

[b]Both villains folded the river and their hands will forever be a mystery.

boondockst · #10 10-07-2005, 11:39 AM

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Worse hands fold? There's nothing to draw to. Are you saying bet less so that AKo calls? "Worse hands fold" refers to turn bets or the size of a river bet. Are you suggesting i check/call to induce a bluff?

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That comment was about the river bet. I am suggesting that check/calling is better than betting. But better than both of those I think is check/folding

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What hand that I beat bets the river if I check yet didn't raise the flop or turn?