5-10 hand...

Hello Again,


Same 5-10 game as I described below.


4h brings it in for $2

7s calls $2 ( FISHY FISHY MAN FROM POST BELOW. Basically plays every hand till the end )

9c raises to the $5 ( decent player )

5d re-raises to $10 ( A VERY TIGHT opponent )

(JcJs)9s ME...... I fold

No Higher cards than a 10 were left to act after me.


What would you have done?


Later,

CJ

with a twoflush and a two straight you dont have to have the best hand to call the raise here. if everyone else will call and since the players are likely to call to the end if you make a hand you probably should call. i dont think it is a huge mistake to fold here.


by the way how are the games lately. i was at mohegan on saturday and the games sucked.


Pat

Hi Pat,


As you can tell from my posts lately, I've only recently started playing alot (again) in the last week/week and a half so I might not be the best one to answer your question here. I had that month layoff due to my 'studio' project. But anywhoo the games I've been in have been pretty decent.( I did get a few table changes ) I do think the games are alot better at Foxwoods lately though. I think you regularly play 10-20 if I remember, if so on the weekend you probably want FW but if certain people are in the 'lineup' at Mohegan the games can be great. ( Thats the reason I jumped in that 10-20 game the other day ) 1-5 and 5-10 doesn't really matter, you can get good games at either place. (although I still have issues with 5-10) I have had some GREAT 1-5 games this week at both places. Believe it or not that's the game where you can make some serious loot.


Later,

CJ

To me, the key to not folding here would have been the multiway action for a live pocket pair with a two-flush out. I'd see fourth street hoping to catch a jack and win a monster. If I don't catch my jack or a perfect two-flush card (like the 10s or As), I'm gone.

So who won the hand, and with what?

have have reduced drastically by the re-raise. U ready don't want to try for a two-outer on the J's.

However,if your opponent has a big pocket pair and he is capable of releasing it if U pair your doorcard with another "9",then it's more of a call. U then have more ways of winning the pot.

But he might have trips and I don't know if he is capable of folding a set of 5's even if he puts U on a set of 9's.

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Because of the implied odds if U nab a "J",calling is not bad,but I think folding is best.

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I,personally,do not like to play "close call" situations.

However,in a high middle limit game,U would generally see two more cards--U would have more of a reason to continue to play(more dead money in the pot)

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In a higher middle limit game,U would re-raise the tight player,hopes he has a big buried pair and not trips. Although U would be an underdog,U would still be a "money favorite" in the long run .

The "dead money" in the pot would compensate for your underdog status.

Happy pokering,

Sitting Bull

Change the 9s to something that isn't suited and straighted to the jacks, and the hand goes way down in value. But the spades and straight cards are mostly still live, and the jacks are live, and your jacks are buried, and you could well have the boss hand at the moment. Sure, there are some players you know won't make it $10 without at least QQ here, and against them you should fold, but otherwise I think this is WAY too good a hand to be giving up this easily in 5-10. In the modern game, too many players would be raising to $10 here with (A5)5 or three diamonds to an ace, and the completion to $5 often doesn't mean much at all.


Still, you're in a delicate situation here, and I think the right play, especially in a 4-bet game, is to CALL. This leaves room for two more raises (assuming the completion doesn't count as a raise), and if it goes reraise-reraise behind you, NOW you have an easy fold. But if the opponents don't make any more noise, or if only one of them does, you have learned quite a bit about their hands and should be in much better shape to know what to do on 4th and 5th. If you make it $15, however, there's room for only one more raise and you will often get a "what the hell" cap out of someone that doesn't tell you anything - plus you're forced to call it because of the pot odds. Sometimes you have to let them bet their hands instead of doing it for them and I think this is one of those cases.


TRLS

a fact that the tight player has a big buried pair like Q's,K's or A's,would U call or fold for the double bet??

Just wondering.

Hmmm Sitting Bull

righteo lin,


your relative position is another thing to be factored in as well as how likely you are to be

in favorable position on 5th and throughout the remainder of the hand.


thanks for reminding me of the very important concept . I owe you one loose call.


wombat6