Hand Review: K8s from MP

[Warik]

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: Warik is MP2 with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, Warik calls, CO calls, Button calls, SB folds, BB checks.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(5 players) </font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="CC3333">Warik bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls, MP1 folds.

Turn: (4.66 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Warik bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls, BB calls.

River: (8.66 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="blue">(4 players) </font>
BB checks, <font color="CC3333">Warik bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button folds, BB calls, <font color="CC3333">Warik 3-bets</font>, <font color="CC3333">CO caps</font>, BB calls, Warik calls.

Final Pot: 20.66 BB
<font color="#990066">Main Pot: 20.66 BB, between Warik, CO and BB.</font>

[surfdoc]

I would fold this preflop.

[GuyOnTilt]

Hey Warik,

You really need to fold this preflop.

GoT

[Warik]

My preflop strategy to this point largely consists of the suggestions of WLLH, which says to play AXs and KXs (down to K8s) from MP and AXs/KXs from LP.

My preflop decisions are not set in stone and I'm always trying to improve, so before I make this adjustment, why should I fold K8s in MP?

Also, would you 3bet this river?

[FletchJr.]

simple,
if the raiser on the river is:
1. a monkey
2. over aggressive.
3 bet the river.

and if he's:
1. tight
2. conservative calling/station
3. slowplayer
call the raise on the river.

[balkii]

[ QUOTE ]
why should I fold K8s in MP?



[/ QUOTE ]

How about - because it wont show a long term profit.

But really K8 s00ted. How could it win. Well it could flop a K. Hmmm bad kicker, out of position. That should be fun, especially if it gets raised preflop.

It could get a flush draw. Hmmm not to the nuts, bad position. It would be hard to maximize your winnings here.

It could make a straight. Oh wait no it cant.

Well hey theres always a full house!! [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

K8s would maybe be profitable on the button after many limpers in the right situation. From MP, its trash man.

[balkii]

My preflop strategy to this point largely consists of the suggestions of WLLH,

It is probably time to be thinking a little harder about your preflop decisions. WLLH preflop strategy is a little too loose, and doesnt tell you all the things to factor in when making your decision.

Search for the thread by Ed miller about preflop play from a couple months back.

[Warik]

All valid points. I will have to finish TOP and start studying HEFAP. My PT does show K8s to be a loser, as well as K7s, K6s, K4s, K3s and K2s.

"Why not K5s?" you ask?

[ QUOTE ]
Well hey theres always a full house!!

[/ QUOTE ]

Thanks.

[HajiShirazu]

I know it's suited and all, but, K8s is the type of hand that I like to see my opponents play from MP when I get into a game. With all that said I think you played the hand fine postflop. You have to 3-bet on the river, it sucks when he caps but I still don't feel that bad about it and expect to see a five or a crap flush. And you have to like BB. What a calling station.
I find poker to be an easier game to play when I feel that it is likely that I am in general entering the pot with higher cards than my opponents. With K8, I can't really feel that way.