77 flops a set but it turn bad

therockofgibraltar · #1 12-06-2005, 02:35 PM

villain is 50/12/1 after 50 hands.

SHould I just check/call the river?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, 1 fold, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, MP folds, Button calls.

Turn: (2.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

River: (4.75 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, Button raises, Hero folds.

How terrible is this fold?

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

Sykes · #2 12-06-2005, 02:38 PM

Raise pre-flop.

All the streets are fine. I don't expect him to raise you without a non-high club.

aargh57 · #3 12-06-2005, 02:41 PM

How bad would a check/call on the river sound? I know that sounds really weak but I don't like laying this down after the raise as I think that at this point there is a one in 7.75 chance villain picked up 2 pair (or an unlikely straight) and I'd call anyway. I'm thinking that he's probably not calling more than 50% of the time when you got him beat (although this may be close, lots of these guys would call with as low as a K or J here) and I think that you may be able to induce a bluff here out of even timid players on this board.

#4 12-06-2005, 02:48 PM

Great river fold imo. The pot is quite small and he wont bluff raise you 1/8. More like 1/100 or something.

Spicymoose · #5 12-06-2005, 02:48 PM

Easy raise preflop.

On the river, I prefer check call when I have a strong hand but there is a 4 flush. Getting bluff raised sucks, but having him bluff when you check rocks. You arn't extracting too much value by value betting unless he is super super passive and color-blind.

Sykes · #6 12-06-2005, 02:52 PM

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Pretty terrible because you're missing a lot of value bets. Also at this level, they're not raising unless they have it most of the time.

If this was 5/10-10/20, I'd either bet/call, check/call, or bet/3-bet depending on the type of player.

Spicymoose · #7 12-06-2005, 02:58 PM

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Please, please tell me what type of player you are bet/3-betting this.

POKhER · #8 12-06-2005, 03:02 PM

As i said to you via AIM.

Preflop i was happy with (I dont like raising form crappy position anything less than 88).

The river bet/fold - Well its Clarkmiesters i believe? and the pots small so its ok play.

krimson · #9 12-06-2005, 03:07 PM

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He bets the flush and checks behind non-flushes. Your putting money in when behind and not when ahead. This is a losing play in the long-run, imo.

Spicymoose · #10 12-06-2005, 03:20 PM

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As i said to you via AIM.

Preflop i was happy with (I dont like raising form crappy position anything less than 88).

The river bet/fold - Well its Clarkmiesters i believe? and the pots small so its ok play.

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I keep hearing Clarkmeister's Theorem mentioned, but I have never heard the exact phrasing of what he meant. I was under the impression that it was to bet HU when the 4th flush comes, but I thought that this was mainly done as a bluff, and that as your hand gets stronger, you maybe should check call? I dunno.