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Old 11-08-2005, 01:15 PM
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Default Leading every street with TPNK...

Table is loose and mostly passive. Both opponents are typical.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. MP3 posts a blind of $0.50. UTG posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP3 (poster) checks, CO calls, Button calls, Hero completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB folds, UTG folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Button calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, Button calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, Button folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:21 PM
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Default Re: Leading every street with TPNK...

I think this is fine. If it weren't for the backdoor flush draw, I'd check/fold the flop. Passive player calling that flop could possibly have you outkicked, passive player betting probably does.
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:28 PM
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Default Re: Leading every street with TPNK...

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I think this is fine. If it weren't for the backdoor flush draw, I'd check/fold the flop. Passive player calling that flop could possibly have you outkicked, passive player betting probably does.

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I think I play it the same if the turn is a non-club. The club was just a bonus as far as I was concerned.
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:28 PM
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I like the flop and turn bets. Any queen is stuck calling you here and I feel like you'll often get call from tens and jacks. On the river I don't know, as any lone queen won't call. I'm really weak on the river though, and I miss a lot of value bets. I guess the question is how often will you get called by a ten or jack? I suppose the name of the game against passive players is to keep on betting for value though, right?
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:31 PM
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Default Re: Leading every street with TPNK...

Looks good.

The only questionable bet was on the flop..you have TPNK against a large field on a very co-ordinated flop. However, i dont really like check/calling or check/raising so the bet seems ok.
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:55 PM
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I like the flop and turn. I think I check/call the river. You're hand is very weak and CO could have been calling with a flush draw not to mention K better kicker. I have seen plenty of calls with J or T in similar situations, so a bet might be okay too. But, what are you going to do if CO raises?
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Old 11-08-2005, 01:55 PM
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Default Re: Leading every street with TPNK...

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I guess the question is how often will you get called by a ten or jack?

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I think the real question is how often will a better hand than mine bet the river when checked to and how often will I be bluffed out by a raise from a weaker hand. Since I put the former at 90% or higher and the latter at &gt;2% I figured I may as well not let the weak hands that would like to be able to showdown for free (the Ts and Js) off the hook since a better King is getting my bet anyway.
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Old 11-08-2005, 02:07 PM
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Default Re: Leading every street with TPNK...

Without reading others comments, I think this is fine.

If you have any reads or if you are feeling spicy, I'd throw in a check raise on the turn.
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Old 11-08-2005, 02:11 PM
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Default Re: Leading every street with TPNK...

I think this flop is too coordinated to lead out. I'm checking and reacting to the field, raising a late position bet and following up on the turn or folding to a bet and a raise. If it's one bet I'll probably check/call the flop and lead the turn if there are only 2 opponents left.
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Old 11-08-2005, 02:12 PM
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Default Re: Leading every street with TPNK...

It played out fine as you folded just about everyone on the flop, but would a check-raise on the flop have been a better idea here? That's a very co-ordinated board. The river bet is mandatory if your opponent will only raise on the river with the near-nuts.
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