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Old 09-20-2005, 11:02 PM
newhizzle newhizzle is offline
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Default QQ, ugly flop, LAG

villian is 53/27/5.7 after 15 hands(not much but i think it gets the point across)

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hero posts blind in CO

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.67 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: (6.67 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.67 BB.
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:28 PM
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Default Re: QQ, ugly flop, LAG

Unless you got some specific reads from those 15 hands I don't think the numbers are going to tell you anything here.

I'm guessing he's got a king although I don't really get the check-raise/check play, so I'm going to go ahead and take a free look at my 4-ish outs.
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Old 09-20-2005, 11:52 PM
sy_or_bust sy_or_bust is offline
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Default Re: QQ, ugly flop, LAG

Looks like he has a PP, and not a king. I'd value bet the river.
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Old 09-21-2005, 12:55 AM
TheHammer24 TheHammer24 is offline
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Default Re: QQ, ugly flop, LAG

I'm confused. 15 hands isn't much, but like you said, I think it gets the point across. After he C/R the flop you're probably folding the turn, but he checked.

What do you think about checking behind on the turn in hopes of getting him to bluff with worse hands on the river than he'll call with on the turn?
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Old 09-21-2005, 01:11 AM
newhizzle newhizzle is offline
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Default Re: QQ, ugly flop, LAG

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What do you think about checking behind on the turn in hopes of getting him to bluff with worse hands on the river than he'll call with on the turn?

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thats probly a good line, i was just thinking he might have an under pair that hed pay off with, but decided to take the showdown at thr river
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Old 09-21-2005, 03:07 AM
Solid_p Solid_p is offline
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Default Re: QQ, ugly flop, LAG

Check the turn with the intention of calling a river bet. You might still have several outs and a turn check can induce him to bluff the river.
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Old 09-21-2005, 06:29 AM
@bsolute_luck @bsolute_luck is offline
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Default Re: QQ, ugly flop, LAG

need reads for this play. i've come across this move a couple times. sorta a modified "OOP free card" move. it's the goofiest thing. really you should be 3-betting that flop. don't worry, if he has a pocket pair, he's paying you off.

i DON'T like checking behind on the turn because typically with this move, once their "bluff" doesn't work, they'll just check/call down, so you're missing bets by not betting this turn.
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Old 09-21-2005, 06:32 AM
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Default Re: QQ, ugly flop, LAG

Bet. The. River.
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Old 09-21-2005, 12:23 PM
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Default Re: QQ, ugly flop, LAG

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Bet. The. River.

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i dont like that here, because with the third ace a king is very likely to raise me
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Old 09-21-2005, 05:31 PM
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Default Re: QQ, ugly flop, LAG

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Bet. The. River.

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i dont like that here, because with the third ace a king is very likely to raise me

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Then you fold.
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