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Old 09-08-2005, 03:41 PM
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Default Would you call this raise?

Was playing 5/10 no limit the other day and came across this hand:

I was dealt KJs in middle position. I called $10, person in front of me raised to $90. another person in front raised to $180.

Do I call or fold?

I ended up folding the hand which was probably the correct thing to do but after seeing the flop, i went nuts.

Person who raised first shows KK
Second person who raised shows AA

Flop comes J X J
Turn: J
River: X

Oh well [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Old 09-08-2005, 03:47 PM
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Default Re: Would you call this raise?

If you even considered for a second calling the raise and reraise you should probably not ever play poker.

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Old 09-08-2005, 03:48 PM
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First of all, I am not sure what you mean by "the people in front of you" - you are in MP and limped in - so do you mean the two blinds?

And this is clearly just an expression of sour grapes - you know you played the hand right - sometimes it happens. Do you b*tch when you fold to a raise and a reraise holding 72o when the flop comes 777?
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Old 09-08-2005, 03:50 PM
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Default Re: Would you call this raise?

Gues I'll be the first to say you are being results oriented. What if, using the same pre-flop betting patterns you had 72o and the flop comes 2 2 2. Do you question why you didn't call preflop? You realize that you had about the same chance of winninng that hand with 72os.

pokenum -h ac as - kh kd - ks js
Holdem Hi: 1370754 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 1062636 77.52 303361 22.13 4757 0.35 0.776
Kd Kh 144009 10.51 1213407 88.52 13338 0.97 0.109
Ks Js 150771 11.00 1206645 88.03 13338 0.97 0.114

pokenum -h ac as - kh kd - 7h 2d
Holdem Hi: 1370754 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 974546 71.10 391958 28.59 4250 0.31 0.712
Kd Kh 253689 18.51 1112815 81.18 4250 0.31 0.186
2d 7h 138269 10.09 1228235 89.60 4250 0.31 0.102
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Old 09-08-2005, 03:52 PM
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Gues I'll be the first to say you are being results oriented. What if, using the same pre-flop betting patterns you had 72o and the flop comes 2 2 2. Do you question why you didn't call preflop? You realize that you had about the same chance of winninng that hand with 72os.

pokenum -h ac as - kh kd - ks js
Holdem Hi: 1370754 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 1062636 77.52 303361 22.13 4757 0.35 0.776
Kd Kh 144009 10.51 1213407 88.52 13338 0.97 0.109
Ks Js 150771 11.00 1206645 88.03 13338 0.97 0.114

pokenum -h ac as - kh kd - 7h 2d
Holdem Hi: 1370754 enumerated boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac 974546 71.10 391958 28.59 4250 0.31 0.712
Kd Kh 253689 18.51 1112815 81.18 4250 0.31 0.186
2d 7h 138269 10.09 1228235 89.60 4250 0.31 0.102

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Beat you to it!! [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]
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Old 09-08-2005, 04:49 PM
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Default Re: Would you call this raise?

just to reiterate, you definitely can't play that hand. while it looks promising, big suited 1 gap connectors, you have to figure you're already behind after those raises are made. you are at best a coin flip against an underpair, but three way it's even tougher, most likely you're dominated. if you flop a K you're most likely losing to AK, if you flop a J it's possible someone was raising with AJ or even JJ. in that position i would have thrown away anything less than AQo, but would playing in AQs be a good idea, anyone? but then again, it depends on your opponents.
there was a time when i used to love to see Kojack, but i have lost quite a bit of money playing them for the aforementioned reasons and have learned my lesson.
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Old 09-08-2005, 05:43 PM
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Default Re: Would you call this raise?

are you kidding me? KJs > AA > KK. call!
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Old 09-08-2005, 06:21 PM
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Default Re: Would you call this raise?

I wouldn't call it with your money because I just like too darn much.
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