3/6 QJ standard?

Poldi · #1 07-25-2005, 05:32 PM

MP is very loose fish, sat with him on a different table before.
BB is 36/3/1.7 being more aggressive on turn and river.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. MP posts a blind of $4.
1 fold, MP (poster) checks, Hero raises, 2 folds, BB calls, MP calls.

Flop: (6.66 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero bets, BB calls, MP calls.

Turn: (4.83 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.83 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets, MP calls, Hero raises, BB calls, MP folds.

Final Pot: 9.83 BB

WackityWhiz · #2 07-25-2005, 05:34 PM

looks good, if you get 3 bet on the river then that river bet comes back to haunt ya, but I think it has to be done. Good play

poker-penguin · #3 07-25-2005, 06:17 PM

Seems standard to me, although that may not be a good thing.

Unless they whiffed on a CR attempt with a 3 or a set of 5s on the turn, or you're unlucky and he has AJ or KJ, you're ahead.

ghostface · #4 07-25-2005, 06:21 PM

or JT.

JrJordan · #5 07-25-2005, 06:24 PM

An argument could be made for firing again on the turn, but you say they're too loose so we'll assume there's not enough folding equity and an A-high type would call down.

Interesting river decision. It seems fairly certain we're ahead of MP, so he's a nice overlay to raise. It also seems like a clear fold to a 3-bet from BB. Assuming you can get MP to call the last bet a majority of the time, then there could be some decent value to this raise. BB could be betting a 5 or lower J more often than a 3. My normal line would be to overcall as well here, however I think I may need to crank up the aggression a bit more and raise this river.

RunDownHouse · #6 07-25-2005, 06:24 PM

Just how I play it. I pay off like a chump if I get 3bet as well.

JrJordan · #7 07-25-2005, 06:25 PM

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Just how I play it. I pay off like a chump if I get 3bet as well.

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Why? It's pretty obvious you're beat at this point if 3-bet.

RunDownHouse · #8 07-25-2005, 06:34 PM

I thought for some reason that hero actually did get 3bet. It was more of a commiserating thing, saying that in the heat of battle, I'd call the 3bet, too.

And I would, because I'm a chump. I don't think you'll see a worse J as often as a 3 or a better J if you get 3bet here, but I would most likely still call.

EDIT: Actually, thanks for making me aware of this as maybe more than an occasional leak, I'll have to see how often I'm paying off on the river. Although, we only need to be good here something like 9% to make calling the 3bet correct, right? Do we see something like J8 often enough? I can't imagine that I would 3bet TPMK on the river after all this action, but would RandomPartyOpponent_01?

JrJordan · #9 07-25-2005, 06:52 PM

I'd make the 3-bet call down if I have a read that he's borderline maniac, but that's about it. Take note that this isn't heads up either. MP is also in the hand at this point, so BB would have to be a super over aggro to 3-bet in this case, especially with the paired 3's on the board. Even something like AJ would be borderline to whether I call or fold to the 3-bet, because even a hand like KJ would be hard pressed to fire again.

Take a look at your last 1-2k PT hands and look for cases where there was a c/r or 3-bet on the river. I believe someone did this in a river c/r analysis and he counted the number of times he was winning with TPTK to be less than 10% (though this was at 5-10 6-max). Not an identical match to this, but close enough to show the point, since a bet-3bet line is even stronger than a c/r IMO.

Poldi · #10 07-26-2005, 07:12 AM

Villain showed T2o. I think most players cant fold for one more bet on the river if they showed any aggression (at least at 3/6).