More rivers.

Entity · #1 06-21-2005, 05:11 PM

Villain is slightly loose preflop, passive by my standards (45/13) and aggressive postflop according to stats. He hasn't been doing much other than calling me down, but when he's had a big hand he's usually stated it rather obviously.

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is BB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
1 fold, MP calls, 3 folds, Hero checks.

Flop: (2.40 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.20 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP bets, Hero raises, MP calls.

River: (7.20 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, MP raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.20 BB

J.R. · #2 06-21-2005, 05:16 PM

I think you can fold the river here, the lead / check-raise / lead is a strong line and he can see the straights and all the cards in the playing zone.

Entity · #3 06-21-2005, 05:18 PM

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I think you can fold the river here, the lead / check-raise / lead is a strong line and he can see the straights and all the cards in the playing zone.

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Yeah, I feel like it should be an easy fold -- I called since I was having a really tough time putting him on a hand, but I don't think that's really a good reason.

DMBFan23 · #4 06-21-2005, 05:21 PM

I feel like this is a fold that many 2+2ers are afraid to tell people to make

"...but you have top pair and it's one bet..."

I'd call on a less scary board, I think.

J.R. · #5 06-21-2005, 05:21 PM

given he plays almost half of his hands its understandably tough

Entity · #6 06-21-2005, 05:23 PM

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I feel like this is a fold that many 2+2ers are afraid to tell people to make

"...but you have top pair and it's one bet..."

I'd call on a less scary board, I think.

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This is a fold that I tell myself to make, but then I look at the board and go "goddamnit, what does he have?" and somehow stupidly talk myself into a call.

DMBFan23 · #7 06-21-2005, 05:25 PM

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but then I look at the board and go "goddamnit, what does he have?" and somehow stupidly talk myself into a call.

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know thh feeling, it's "teh suck."

donger · #8 06-21-2005, 05:50 PM

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I feel like this is a fold that many 2+2ers are afraid to tell people to make

"...but you have top pair and it's one bet..."

I'd call on a less scary board, I think.

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This is a fold that I tell myself to make, but then I look at the board and go "goddamnit, what does he have?" and somehow stupidly talk myself into a call.

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A lot of times for me, it's trying to figure out a worse hand that he would play that way, so I can talk myself into a call.

aK13 · #9 06-21-2005, 07:40 PM

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aggressive postflop according to stats.

He hasn't been doing much other than calling me down,

but when he's had a big hand he's usually stated it rather obviously.

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These three statements don't seem to fit together.

Readless, I'd probably play the same way. I might also stick in a raise preflop...

sthief09 · #10 06-21-2005, 07:48 PM

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I think you can fold the river here, the lead / check-raise / lead is a strong line and he can see the straights and all the cards in the playing zone.

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Yeah, I feel like it should be an easy fold -- I called since I was having a really tough time putting him on a hand, but I don't think that's really a good reason.

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of course it's a good reason. he raised the flop and bet the turn. he's not that agrressive. we should put him on a pair or better. he raised the river. it's unlikely he'd do that without a flush. you have the Td and the 9d is on the board. that really only leaves JT, 8d7d, or a flopped non-nut straoght with 2 diamonds. he's not going to value raise here with 2 pair on the river.

I think it's closer than people are giving it credit for just because there are so few hands that makes sense. I still fold but I think it's at least somewhat close