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Old 04-01-2005, 07:58 PM
Bradyams Bradyams is offline
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Default Was this a good laydown? (QJs)

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Preflop: Brady is MP1 with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Brady calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, BB checks.

Flop: (3.50 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Brady raises</font>, MP3 calls, BB calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Brady bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises</font>, BB folds, Brady folds.

Final Pot: 7.75 BB

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No reads.

I just couldn't see MP3 coldcalling the flop, and then raising the turn with anything I was beating. At BEST I felt I had 3 outs to my Queen for two pair, but I'm pretty sure I was drawing dead.

So, is this a standard laydown?
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Old 04-01-2005, 08:02 PM
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Default Re: Was this a good laydown? (QJs)

Raise preflop.

Without reads I'd be hard-pressed to not call down here though.
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Old 04-01-2005, 08:30 PM
DoctorDrew DoctorDrew is offline
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I just couldn't see MP3 coldcalling the flop, and then raising the turn with anything I was beating.
So, is this a standard laydown?

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What? He limped, just like you, which I think is a mistake when you open, even this early. Someone has to raise for someone to coldcall.
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Old 04-01-2005, 08:35 PM
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Default Re: Was this a good laydown? (QJs)

You could have more hidden outs than just the 3 queens, unless he has a set or a straight. I think I'd call the turn because of the potential hidden outs, and then call the river because the pot is big now.
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Old 04-01-2005, 08:40 PM
Bradyams Bradyams is offline
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I just couldn't see MP3 coldcalling the flop, and then raising the turn with anything I was beating.
So, is this a standard laydown?

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What? He limped, just like you, which I think is a mistake when you open, even this early. Someone has to raise for someone to coldcall.

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He coldcalled the flop, not before the flop.
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Old 04-01-2005, 09:31 PM
SteveL91 SteveL91 is offline
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I think the laydown is fine. The villain called two-cold on a fairly draw heavy board. Then on the turn, he raises the flop raiser on a card that just completed a few different straight draws. Given that you have no reads, it might be worth a call down, but in my experience, you don't run into many players who will try and make a move on you at these limits.
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Old 04-01-2005, 09:42 PM
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i'm not folding this turn. you're not drawing dead as much as you'd think.
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