Take the free card or try to pick on the pot on the turn?

FishHooks · #1 03-30-2005, 08:10 PM

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 2 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
MP1 bets, MP2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 checks, Hero bets, MP1 calls.

River: (7.75 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
MP1 bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 8.75 BB

Call on flop was questionable, but it was good enough implied odds to call 4 outs for the straight. Should I have taken the free card on the turn or bet like i did and hope the guy was bluffing the flop and try to pick up the pot? Sorry no read again

Firefly · #2 03-30-2005, 08:16 PM

I tend to discount outs on a paired board a bit, i'll give you 2.5 for the gutshot, with the T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] discounted slightly. If you are going to call the flop (which i don't necesarily disagree with) take the free card on the turn...you are still drawing and i'd love to see that river for free.

jaxUp · #3 03-30-2005, 08:19 PM

I think I take the freebie, and with a LAG (esp postflop) read of this guy, I would consider raising the flop

joeski19 · #4 03-30-2005, 08:48 PM

Is raising KQo PF a good idea? I'd raise KQs, but not off.

Rev. Good Will · #5 03-30-2005, 08:50 PM

eh, you didn't hit at all on the flop. 4 T's left for a straight, I'd think your a tad to far behind to even see the turn [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

EDIT - opps, didn't asnwer the question, not worth doing that play

FishHooks · #6 03-30-2005, 08:52 PM

4 T's give me the straight, at least 3 are clean, i'd give myself 3.5 outs. Thats enough implied odds to call the flop, any disagreements?

FishHooks · #7 03-30-2005, 08:52 PM

raising KQo UTG is optimal, surely rusing in MP is a good play.

jaxUp · #8 03-30-2005, 08:53 PM

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Is raising KQo PF a good idea? I'd raise KQs, but not off.

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not raising KQo here would ave been retarded.

SCfuji · #9 03-30-2005, 08:55 PM

check behind on the turn. fold the river if mp1 bets and your hand didnt improve.

Rev. Good Will · #10 03-30-2005, 08:58 PM

KQo on the button in an unraised flop, this is an easy raise.