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Old 03-30-2005, 10:29 AM
Delphin Delphin is offline
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Default Q9o posting in CO flops top pair

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UTG, UTG+1 are both LPP, will call down with any piece of the board, but betting and raising usually means two pair or better

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $0.5.
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, Hero (poster) checks, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (6 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, UTG+2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

River: (16 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 22 BB

Should I be less aggressive when such passive players are betting and raising? After the bet on the flop I put UTG on 66,88,68,Q6,Q8. When UTG wakes up on the turn with a raise, I'm not sure what to put him on maybe 69,89,Q9,JT. During the hand I saw top two pair and thought it was worth a three bet on the turn and a raise on the river. If I put my opponents on the hands I mentioned, pokerstove says my equity is 32% on the turn and 29% on the river.

Board: Qs 8s 9h 6h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 31.8405 % [ 00.28 00.04 ] { Qc9d }
Hand 2: 15.3565 % [ 00.15 00.00 ] { 88, 66, Q8s, Q6s, 86s, Q8o, Q6o, 86o }
Hand 3: 52.8030 % [ 00.49 00.04 ] { Q9s, JTs, 98s, 96s, Q9o, JTo, 98o, 96o }

Board: Qs 8s 9h 6h
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 31.8405 % [ 00.28 00.04 ] { Qc9d }
Hand 2: 15.3565 % [ 00.15 00.00 ] { 88, 66, Q8s, Q6s, 86s, Q8o, Q6o, 86o }
Hand 3: 52.8030 % [ 00.49 00.04 ] { Q9s, JTs, 98s, 96s, Q9o, JTo, 98o, 96o }

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Old 03-30-2005, 10:38 AM
tiltaholic tiltaholic is offline
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Default Re: Q9o posting in CO flops top pair

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when passive UTG+1 continues to bet into you again on the river, I'd just call...he REALLY likes his hand to bet into a turn 3-bettor. if it's a low 2-pair...yay.
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Old 03-30-2005, 11:12 AM
davelin davelin is offline
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Default Re: Q9o posting in CO flops top pair

I think going for the overcall on the river is the better play, you don't know if you have the original bettor beat but you're pretty sure you have the other person beat. Minimize your risk:reward ratio IMO.
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Old 03-30-2005, 11:16 AM
KaiShin KaiShin is offline
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Default Re: Q9o posting in CO flops top pair

I would just call the river here. Passive players don't bet into you if they don't expect you to call it, which means they are very confident in their hand.
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Old 03-30-2005, 12:01 PM
Marquis Marquis is offline
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Default Re: Q9o posting in CO flops top pair

There's no way I 3-bet the turn against a passive's turn raise on this board because I'd be fraidy scared of JT.
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Old 03-30-2005, 03:00 PM
Delphin Delphin is offline
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Default Re: Q9o posting in CO flops top pair

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I think going for the overcall on the river is the better play, you don't know if you have the original bettor beat but you're pretty sure you have the other person beat. Minimize your risk:reward ratio IMO.

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I didn't think for a second that anyone was folding since these players love to call. I was raising just incase they both had smaller two pairs. In retrospect I think this possibility is too remote to make it a good play. Thanks for the response.

I also think the 3-bet was incorrect on the turn, but you didn't mention it.
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