Pokerroom River Cards are fixed?

I don't usually use this forum for complaints but I really need to know if anyone eles is seeing what I'm seeing. I have been playing on Pokerroom for about a year and have enjoyed consistant success over that time. Over the last month and a half I have noticed the river cards have started coming into play on almost every hand. If there's a 4 flush on board it hits, a gut shot it hits, a 2 outer it hits. Bad poker players are cleaning up, I find that I lose 4 out of 5 times when I go to the river leading, and most of the time its to a 4, 3 or 2 outer. I realize that for short periods this can happen, but for a month and a half? So I need to know, is anyone eles noticing this? Is it possible that pokerroom is creating action on the river to max. out the rake. Thanks in advance for your responses.


Dirk

“Is it possible that pokerroom is creating action on the river to max. out the rake.”


If it is true that the river cards are hitting too often, I don’t think the reason is to maximize the rake on a given hand. The more important problem facing internet sites is how to hang on to customers once they’ve opened accounts. When a new, most likely inexperienced, player opens a money account, he would be in eminent danger of losing his buy-in to better players very quickly (Internet poker is very fast). Have you ever seen a frog in a chicken coop? That’s the last thing a poker site would want. They’d have to be goofy to spend their promotional dollars to bring in customers just so the greedy pros can take all the money and send them packing before the house can get its share. No, if an internet site is rigging the deal, it’s not to maximize the rake in the short term.


Tom D

aw man, i just got over my paranoia and you go and post that...

These are, frankly, amazing, new ideas. I'm glad you guys took the time to express these ideas as I have never heard others discuss them!

well, like any other conspiracy, we'll never know for sure. i've stopped playing online because:


1) it's a boring, anti-social drag.


2) you can't crash, freeze-up, or get disconnected at a b&m poker room. well, not literally [img]/images/smile.gif[/img]


3) no all-in abuse, and collusion far less likely in a b&m poker room


4) and because i've thought to myself "what the f***!?" a lot more online than in the real world. now whether this perception is caused by the speed of the game or a rigged deal, i don't know. i find it hard to believe that a site as popular as paradise would rig their games, but maybe it's so popular because...


long story short: cyber-poker like cyber-anything is a poor excuse for the real thing.

you posted some strong "cons" for online play. if you don't like it, don't play it but...


"1) it's a boring, anti-social drag."


i don't play poker to socialize, i play for money. i can either work serving tables or i can play online poker. gee, let me think.


"2) you can't crash, freeze-up, or get disconnected at a b&m poker room. well, not literally"


these are definately the biggest problems i have with online poker. but i also don't have to drive to a casino (about 8 hours) and i don't have to sit next to some degenerate gambler chainsmoking marlboro reds and picking his nose.


"3) no all-in abuse, and collusion far less likely in a b&m poker room"


i don't see collusion as a major problem at all. all-in abuse can definately be a problem, but i think cardrooms are doing a good job of putting a stop to it.


"4) and because i've thought to myself "what the f***!?" a lot more online than in the real world. now whether this perception is caused by the speed of the game or a rigged deal, i don't know. i find it hard to believe that a site as popular as paradise would rig their games, but maybe it's so popular because..."


this really isn't worth arguing, but i've found that most people who question the validity of online games simply aren't as good as they think they are. first, they think they win more live than they actually do. second, the speed of the game magnifies the leaks in their game. third, there's no denying the losses when the credit card bills come in. i'm not saying this is your situation, but it could be.

Does anyone from Pokerroom use 2+2? I so please offer your opinion on the river cards. I would like to know if it is just happening to me or if it's wide spread.


Thanks


Dirk

i don't play poker to socialize, but sitting with real people can be a lot of fun even when you are playing good poker. it beats the hell out of typing "nh" and "ty" all night. five hours of online play feels like five hours... five hours at a real table can go buy in a flash and still be profitable.


as far as the conspiracies, i'm not saying that i buy into them; but i definitely understand the perception that something might be up. the real issue though, is that the speed of the game can bludgeon you to death if you start to loosen your play to catch up after a couple of bad beats. if everyone were honest, i think that's the pattern that would reveal itself: a couple of horrendous beats in quick succession and then you tilt and lose your roll much faster than would happen in a b&m.


i think, in general, computer play encourages obsessive/compulsive behavior in some people; and i'm one of them. so i stopped.

Been playing pokerroom for about six months and have made a lot of money (15K), so I obviously I have no real complaints.


started off real bad lost 1 K very quickly, got better won like 6K, then cards got reall ugly for about a month and could not get a single hand to hold up. Flopped houses -- lose. flopped nut stright lost, flopped nut full house lost and gave back like 3k. Since then I have been running much better and my game has improved a lot.


Have not noticed anything especially weird lately.

I haven't noticed the river cards completing draws that much. But, I do find that a can not win after a cashout and I believe the royal flush promotion for the WSOP super-sattelite was rigged to generate action. After playing extensively in live games for over a year, I have never seem a royal. For three months playing in Pokerrrom I saw at least 15. My thoughts.


Pokerroom regular