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Old 04-03-2005, 12:34 PM
stevetee stevetee is offline
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Default Folding KK pre flop ... Party 20+2 sit\'n\'go

Can I fold KK here ? Should I ?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t200 (6 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

<font color="#C00000">MP (t480)</font>
<font color="#C00000">CO (t1180)</font>
Button (t1700)
SB (t940)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t1540)</font>
UTG (t2160)

Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP raises to t480 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises to t1180 (All-In)</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t980.

Flop: (t2940) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Turn: (t2940) A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

River: (t2940) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t2940
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: t1540 (t1540), between MP, CO and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by CO (t1540).</font>
<font color="#009B00">Pot 2: t1400 (t1400), between CO and Hero.</font> &gt; <font color="#FFFFFF">Pot won by CO (t1400).</font>

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Hero has Kd Kc (two pair, aces and kings).
MP has Qd Tc (two pair, aces and tens).
CO has Jc Ah (full house, aces full of eights).
Outcome: CO wins t2940. </font>
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Old 04-03-2005, 12:36 PM
Maulik Maulik is offline
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Default Re: Folding KK pre flop ... Party 20+2 sit\'n\'go

I odn't see why not, you've got action and hopefully someone will find themselves out of the tournament. Additionally, any ace that falls more likely than not is the end or your chips.
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Old 04-03-2005, 12:43 PM
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Default Re: Folding KK pre flop ... Party 20+2 sit\'n\'go

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I odn't see why not, you've got action and hopefully someone will find themselves out of the tournament. Additionally, any ace that falls more likely than not is the end or your chips.

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Yes, I was 4-table'ing and hit this so quick...could have kicked myself. But, even afterwards, still wasn't 100% sure if the fold would have been correct.
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Old 04-03-2005, 12:44 PM
Unparagoned Unparagoned is offline
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Default Re: Folding KK pre flop ... Party 20+2 sit\'n\'go

Don't fold KK preflop...
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Old 04-03-2005, 12:45 PM
BradleyT BradleyT is offline
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Default Re: Folding KK pre flop ... Party 20+2 sit\'n\'go

Can I?
You can do anything you put your mind to.

Should I?
Um, no.

If you fold and let them play, how do you think that benefits you to getting into the money? If CO wins there's still 5 players left. If MP wins there's still 6 players left. When you play and win you're going to be chipleader with 4 players left.
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Old 04-03-2005, 12:53 PM
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Default Re: Folding KK pre flop ... Party 20+2 sit\'n\'go

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Don't fold KK preflop...

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Old 04-03-2005, 12:54 PM
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Default Re: Folding KK pre flop ... Party 20+2 sit\'n\'go

Don't fold that here...besides, you were a favorite before the flop anyway.
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Old 04-03-2005, 01:12 PM
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Default Re: Folding KK pre flop ... Party 20+2 sit\'n\'go

umm, why would you even WANT to fold here? 3uo
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Old 04-03-2005, 01:14 PM
Cleveland Guy Cleveland Guy is offline
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Default Re: Folding KK pre flop ... Party 20+2 sit\'n\'go

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I odn't see why not, you've got action and hopefully someone will find themselves out of the tournament. Additionally, any ace that falls more likely than not is the end or your chips.

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This weak tight thinking is even worse thatn your original question.

If someone has an A - that means they only have 3 outs, if they both have A's they only have 2 outs.

Look at what happened when the money went in - you made the right play, just didn't work out
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Old 04-03-2005, 01:18 PM
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Default Re: Folding KK pre flop ... Party 20+2 sit\'n\'go

If you fold, there will still be at least 5 players left and you might be in 4th place.

Can you fold? No.
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