Is THIS A Good GigaMove?

[Degen]

Other post on this jogged my memory on this hand. I talked this one over with some regular posters at Rio and they seemed to think this was a bad application. I sill like it...


$125 BI Winner Take All STT at Rio, couple days ago.

Blinds 25-50, Everybody starts with t1000

(stack sizes are approximated)
Eight players left, these are the people in the hand.

Seat 1 t2600
Seat 4 t775
Seat 5 t575
Seat 8 t750

Hero is SB and Seat 1 with 2 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] 3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

UTG+1 Raises to 400 (standard opening raise in this game), Seat 5 pushes for another 175, seat 8 pushes for ANOTHER 175, hero pushes.




My thought process:

If I win this pot, it is 5 handed and I have half the chips in play with 4 shorties. Gave over. Give me the $1120 first prize.

If I fold here, I have a good amount of chips but there will be another big stack at the table with me, and most likely 6-7 players left.

If I call and lose, I still have well over average at t1800.



Discuss.

[mistaken]

I think the difference may be the actual odds of winning this hand. You're gonna be at 1800 chips waaay more often than dominating the tourney 5-handed.

Gigabet's example was only a heads up one where he'd have at worst 30% odds of winning the hand.

Not sure if this is the right way of looking at it.

Mistaken

[Freudian]

I don't think so. You are up against two or even more likely three opponents. Without great luck your 32s will lose. If you are up against an overpair (which is pretty likely) you are drawing very slim.

As I see it, when you have gotten a good start to a tourney with this structure, it is silly to donk your edge away.

[maddog2030]

SNG Wiki.

Luckily I have nothing better to do with my time at work so I can do this all day.

[Wes ManTooth]

It's not worth dumping almost a third of your stack on this hand, your way behind and losing this hand you will also give up the chip lead.

[2+2 wannabe]

i think this is a poor decision

[bkbluedevil]

Degen,

I love this spot for a Gigabet type move so I'm with you on that. However you should consider ranges before you just throw all in. Someone is pocketed. 23s sucks against higher pocket pairs. I think you're chances of winning this pot is in the neighborhood of 12-15%. If you had like 9Ts or there were less action if front it would be a lot more debatable.

[KingMedicine]

in general i love this sort of play, but the problem lies in your holdings. there is such a huge chance youre up against an overpair and even when youre not, with so many cards seeing the board, someone will hit a pair meaning youll need at least 2 pair to have a shot.
its likely that your 2 and 3 are live at least, and i like that theyre suited, but youre almost definitely gonna need 2 pair, trips or a flush here to take this, and without figuring out the math, im pretty sure its not worth it, even when you factor in the fact that winning the hand will allow you to dominate the rest of the show.

give you a 67s or a 78s and i love the move. 23s is just too hard to see taking the pot. and for the record, i wouldnt make this move with 22 or 33 either.

[Scuba Chuck]

Degen, whether you like this move or not, it's not the 'giga-move' you're trying to refer to. The average (not median) of the 4 remaining stacks not listed is t1175. You are likely the dominant stack in the game. You already have the ability to control/dominate the other players if you wish. Furthermore, I'd need to know the future blind structure changes to get a real feel for whether a giga-move would even matter here. IF the blinds do not rise fast enough, then this is a terrible play (despite the terrible cards).

That being said, if your hand was more attractive, like TJs, I could see your interest in being in a pot like this. Not my style, but I understand.

Scuba

[Isura]

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I think you're chances of winning this pot is in the neighborhood of 12-15%.

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That's probably being too generous.