Big bluff?

[Sabrazack]

This is the first level of the tournament so i have no reads whatsoever. I would like to see what people say here
before i post results and my reasoning. BTW, this was played during the (imo) tougher time of day with 14k ppl online.

***** Hand History for Game 2281527031 *****
NL Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:13504117 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Wednesday, June 29, 08:34:52 EDT 2005
Table Table 13786 (Real Money)
Seat 7 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: ONTILT32 ( $755 )
Seat 2: redsoxsfan ( $975 )
Seat 3: pkbsalsal ( $25 )
Seat 4: HERO ( $790 )
Seat 5: ripa510 ( $875 )
Seat 6: TheDurk ( $745 )
Seat 7: playnpoka ( $655 )
Seat 8: Entolitator ( $1625 )
Seat 9: mythx ( $770 )
Seat 10: dbmedina ( $785 )
Trny:13504117 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Kc Ah ]
dbmedina folds.
ONTILT32 folds.
redsoxsfan calls [15].
pkbsalsal folds.
HERO calls [15].
ripa510 folds.
TheDurk calls [15].
playnpoka folds.
Entolitator calls [5].
mythx checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, Qc, Ad ]
Entolitator checks.
mythx bets [50].
redsoxsfan folds.
HERO raises [150].
TheDurk folds.
Entolitator folds.
mythx calls [100].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3s ]
mythx checks.
HERO bets [225].
mythx is all-In [605]
HERO ??

[sekrah]

Gotta raise to 80-100 preflop. Can't let them see the flop for free.. That was a key mistake!! You have the best hand and you are letting people see the flop for nothing!

I check behind him on the turn.. and fold to a pot-sized bet (or larger) on the end..

But since you bet and he's already re-raised you..It's borderline, but I guess you gotta call.. You're getting about 4:1 on your money, if he has two pair, you still have 9 outs to hit (5:1) to win the pot.. if you fold you're in bad shape for the tournament, and who knows, he could be making a play, but I'd call where you are at.

The hand was bungled pre-flop.

[Sabrazack]

Hmm, raising to 100 sounds pretty wierd to me.. I don't like raising AK here. You have no chance to bluff anyone off second pair with a continuation bet if you miss the flop. This obviously gets me into situations like these but i think i overall benefit from it. I would love to hear other peoples opinions on this though..

And btw, why do you want me to raise to 100? thats like 6xBB..

[sekrah]

Re-read my post, I edited it with further comment/analysis..


Trust me.. You do not benefit limping in with A-K with 4 other players.. It's an perfect recipe for an early tournament death.

You must raise pre-flop.

[Sabrazack]

Assume i raise to 100 preflop and get 1 caller. The same flop falls and im bet into, what do i do here? Im just as clueless where i stand, he could have pretty much any ace,a set, some twopair or jack [censored]. You cant expect people here to drop medium aces to raises even during the "tougher" hours.

[kyro]

Not raising here is just bad, no matter how you to try to justify it. If you're afraid people are going to call you with A8 and now you've put in a lot of money as a huge favorite, you need to find a new game.

[sekrah]

With that flop, proceed with caution, but I would still bet the flop with a good amount, 150..

If he comes back at you over the top, it's a tough situation, but you gotta call the rest of your short stack off, because even if you're not ahead, you still have decent pot odds to make two pair or a straight..

If he calls that bet, you push after the blank on the turn.

Somebody may have a different opinion on this, but you can't let bad players dictate your play.. If you just joined a table and don't have any read at all on anybody, my rule is: assume they know what they are doing!

[45suited]

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Assume i raise to 100 preflop and get 1 caller. The same flop falls and im bet into, what do i do here? Im just as clueless where i stand, he could have pretty much any ace,a set, some twopair or jack [censored]. You cant expect people here to drop medium aces to raises even during the "tougher" hours.

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First of all, you don't have to raise all the way to 100. There's only one limper, raising to 60 or a little more would be fine. This also helps to keep the pot size manageable, which is good.

Adanthar recently posted that you don't want just one caller with AK recently, and I'm now ready to guess as to why he said it:

When you have multiple callers, you will beat the crappier aces 3/4 of the time when they call and an ace hits. This helps to offset the possibility of someone hitting a set on you (or other huge hand), because you're going to lose alot (if not all) your chips when the flop comes A-8-5 and you're up against pocket 8s. So, the slight extra risk of losing to a worse ace is necessary and desired, in part because it helps make up for the times you hit TPTK and lose.

[Unarmed]

Given you didn't raise PF, you should be playing AK for value on that board. You're really not strong enough to take the lead so just call the flop bet and use your position to control the size of the pot.

[octaveshift]

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First of all, you don't have to raise all the way to 100. There's only one limper, raising to 60 or a little more would be fine.

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I'm going to do my best impression of how this actually plays out in a Party $20:

Limp, limp, limp, limp, raise t60, call, call, call, call, call, call, call, call, call, call.