JJ, turn decision.

Entity · #1 12-21-2004, 07:00 PM

Who calls? Who raises? Villain is 68/5.2PFR/1.62Ag so far, seems a bit LAG.

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Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Hero 3-bets, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (13.50 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 calls, MP2 folds, Hero 3-bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls.

Turn: (11.25 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, UTG+2 folds, Hero...

Jonny Melon · #2 12-21-2004, 07:08 PM

I'd call it down unimproved, personally. If a heart hits on the river, and villain bets, there is a fine line between raising or calling.

Entity · #3 12-22-2004, 04:09 PM

I called down and he tabled 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and MHIG. My read was adjusted.

dfscott · #4 12-22-2004, 04:28 PM

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I called down and he tabled 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and MHIG. My read was adjusted.

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I have seen this a lot lately. LAGs betting any pocket pair like they're rockets. I laid down the best hand two or three times before I resolved to start calling down TPTK against these nuts.

wuwei · #5 12-22-2004, 04:59 PM

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I called down and he tabled 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] and MHIG. My read was adjusted.

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That's the key. Based on the stats you had, I wouldn't have imagined he'd be the type of guy to raise 55 UTG+1. Nor did those stats scream that his post flop play would be that horrible. Erring on the side of caution with small samples of PT data is a good thing, I think. Like you said, now you adjust your read and play this guy accordingly next time.

wuwei · #6 12-21-2004, 07:12 PM

I think raising here would be bad. After UTG+2 folds, I don't think you have a good enough read on your opponent to believe a raise is +EV.

Avatar · #7 12-21-2004, 07:26 PM

I hate these situations. LAGs get as many good hands as anybody else. If that turn card was a non-heart I think I lay it down..his stats don't indicate a maniac. Now that the turn card is a heart, I call. Raise a heart on the river or call a non-heart due to sheer pot size.

lil' · #8 12-21-2004, 07:39 PM

If that turn card was a non-heart I think I lay it down

Nooooo, don't do that.

private joker · #9 12-21-2004, 08:33 PM

I don't know. I think laying down a non-heart river is fine. He's getting odds to call the turn, but I don't see any hands he really beats. He was ahead of PPs like TT earlier, but now on the turn he's even behind that. I don't see anyone other than a maniac playing overcards this strong, and even that's pushing it unless he has like the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

uw_madtown · #10 12-21-2004, 09:13 PM

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I don't know. I think laying down a non-heart river is fine. He's getting odds to call the turn, but I don't see any hands he really beats. He was ahead of PPs like TT earlier, but now on the turn he's even behind that. I don't see anyone other than a maniac playing overcards this strong, and even that's pushing it unless he has like the A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

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Except he said a non-heart TURN, meaning that if the opponent bet out on a turn card that didn't make a flush possible, he'd fold (thinking the opponent had? 87? a set?).

Raise-call a non-heart turn. Since this was a heart turn card, call down (improved or unimproved, IMO).