KK x 2 facing aggression

teamdonkey · #1 05-27-2005, 09:01 PM

so I'm 4 tabling and look up to see pocket kings on 2 tables! naturally i lose a bundle on both, but would really appreciate any comments on these lines. villain in first hand has only been here and orbit or two, villain in second hand has PFR of 2%.

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MP1 ($8.12)
MP2 ($24.65)
MP3 ($22.32)
CO ($4.4)
Button ($1.2)
SB ($82.08)
BB ($24.82)
UTG ($23.84)
Hero ($46.9)
UTG+2 ($26.25)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
1 fold, Hero raises to $1.5, UTG+2 raises to $8, 7 folds, Hero calls $45.40 (All-In), UTG+2 calls $18.25 (All-In).

Flop: ($73.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Turn: ($73.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

River: ($73.50) 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 2 all-in)

Final Pot: $73.50

Results in white below: 
Hero has Kc Kd (two pair, kings and eights).
UTG+2 has As Ac (two pair, aces and eights).
Outcome: UTG+2 wins $52.50. Hero wins $20.65. 

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MP1 ($34.28)
Hero ($41.8)
MP3 ($22.4)
CO ($25.49)
Button ($21.2)
SB ($11.62)
BB ($22.15)
UTG ($15.55)
UTG+1 ($28)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
3 folds, Hero raises to $1, 1 fold, CO raises to $3, Button calls $3, 2 folds, Hero raises to $8, CO raises to $13, Button folds, Hero calls $5.

Flop: ($29.35) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO calls $12.49 (All-In), Hero folds.

Final Pot: $41.84

Results in white below: 
No showdown. CO wins $41.84.

Student Caine · #2 05-27-2005, 09:10 PM

Let me see what insight I can provide:

Hand 1 - I do not have a solution for you, but I *hate* getting all-in preflop with KK. My limited experience is that I am almost always facing AA. I do not have a solution for you, because you surely are not going to fold it...it is a tough situation.

Hand 2 - I have a really hard time folding at the flop. The pot is laying you 3.5:1 odds and you have an overpair, open ended straight draw, and backdoor flush draw.

He may have AK - though he should not be that raise crazy pre-flop with it - in which case you have a gutshot straight draw, but you still have 2 cards to come.

xorbie · #3 05-27-2005, 09:14 PM

Hand 1, not sure what else you can do. If you just call it's all going in on almost any flop anyway.

Hand 2, don't 3 bet PF. He's not re-raising with crap. The way you played it, flop is a must call.

teamdonkey · #4 05-27-2005, 09:57 PM

by the time the second hand flop had come, i'd already lost the first and was sure i had KK vs AA twice in a matter of seconds (what are the odds?). Saw the flop, saw i was killed by anything he has, and didn't even look at the pot odds. You're right though poker stove tells me the only thing i didn't have odds to call against is AK.

what goes around comes around i guess... 1 hour later:

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Hero ($32.88)
MP1 ($23.8)
MP2 ($25)
MP3 ($37.2)
CO ($25.63)
Button ($50.81)
SB ($29.95)
BB ($23.37)
UTG ($28.11)
UTG+1 ($20.9)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.1.
UTG raises to $1.5, UTG+1 calls $1.50, Hero raises to $4, 7 folds, UTG calls $26.61 (All-In), UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $24.11.

Flop: ($58.07) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Turn: ($58.07) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($58.07) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $58.07

Results in white below: 
UTG has Ks Kc (two pair, kings and threes).
Hero has Ah As (two pair, aces and threes).
Outcome: Hero wins $58.07.

Student Caine · #5 05-27-2005, 10:15 PM

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what goes around comes around i guess...

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Right, the key is to hit the come arounds and avoid the go arounds (or vice versa?) [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img]

I was stating on another thread that the way I initially took my EV with AA from - to + was by shoving in preflop everytime I got AA. It is amazing how many people will call you when you shove. In fact, after I misplayed AA and lost $100, I got it again, shoved, and won $140 when someone with AKo called me....really weird stuff.