The Best Value Bet in History

[Clarkmeister]

5 handed game, two very good players who both know the other can play. SB raises with QJo, BB calls.

SB bets the flop dark, BB calls dark.

Flop is QcJsTc

Turn is 7d. SB checks, BB checks.

River is a red K. SB bets, BB calls. SB declares "this is The Best Value Bet in History" and flips up his hand.

Thoughts?

[Justin A]

I really don't see how this could be the best value bet in history.

[A_C_Slater]

No way, dude.

This is the best value bet in history.

http://www.tommyangelo.com/articles/the_ogre_and_me.htm

[Robk]

this isnt a spot where id check the turn as sb. too many weak draws/ pairs will check behind. and this flop is too imposing for the BB to try to move you off.

i think the river bet is routine. depending on how you want to discount his aces (assuming hell reraise pf often), youre probably a 60% favorite (edit: when called, i mean) as imo any pair will call fearing you have a total bluff. (if he always reraisies pf with an ace youre about 65-35 to win.) and a bluff raise seems quite unlikely.

[bicyclekick]

surely no where near the best value bet in history.

[Clarkmeister]

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I really don't see how this could be the best value bet in history.

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Especially since it was obvious to the other 3 players at the table that his hand was no good.

BB had 9T and HHWG.

[andyfox]

Would a check-raise have worked?

[Clarkmeister]

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Would a check-raise have worked?

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Doubt it, but I think a bet on the turn would have worked. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]


BTW, I wasn't in this hand.

[DcifrThs]

haven't read any responses, but

a) bb smoke called the flop before it was dealt and also said, "i have to call with this hand, there's nothing else to do but call with this hand."

b) the bb, giving me credit later for "creativity" with respect to going for a turn checkraise, could have bet the turn with many hands he "had to call with" in the bb and smoke called.

c) no more excuses. it was a dumb statement, by an "obtuse/naive/other adjective here that doesn't quite fit" guy. and, also, just to make sure we all know how bad the "value bet" was...

the river was the KING OF CLUBS making the final board QcJsTc[x][Kc] when i bet my QJo.

the only hands that call me here that i beat are JT(which bb would have likely bet on the turn and i could have c'red) and K8s (which the bb couldn't have "only called with" because he'd likely 3 bet my sorry ass.)

however, there was SOME slight redemption...

folded to me on the button.

same bb now in the sb. i open raise K9o, sb 3 bets and smoke bets the flop after my call.

flop is Q83rb (or something like that) i call his flop smoke bet.

sb then smoke checks the turn and i either smooth bet it or smoke bet it i can't remember. he says "ok, ok, take it."

somebody then says (can't remember who) "turn up the bluff, its good for the game (which makes me think it had to be clark)" to which i flip up K9o and clark then says "thats not a bluff, THATS VALUE!!"

and clark, thanks for putting up the singular worst play i made the entire night (other than my AsQx flop call) [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] ....oh, and what makes it an even STUPIDER comment to make after a bad value bet, is that the ENTIRE TABLE was filled with very good knowledgeable players (except maybe the 1 seat who i didn't know but didn't relaly see ever get out of line except he called an obvious super strong c'r on teh turn w/ TPTK), who, after my comment all threw up their arms in disgust.

it was beautiful. another odd tasting strawberry julius please!... and a bud light.

-Barron

[DcifrThs]

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Would a check-raise have worked?

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Doubt it, but I think a bet on the turn would have worked. [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img]


BTW, I wasn't in this hand.

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no way in hell is the bb folding Ts9s on a QJT7 board for a turn bet getting 4:1 w/ no rake and those outs with a player as bad as me willing to "value bet" a midde two pair hand when he hts his outs.

-Barron