Some Thoughts on Getting Outdrawn!

[Poker Jon]

Hi All,

There seem to be quite a few posts on this forum at the moment that seem to state:

'I was 90% ahead on the flop and they hit their 1 outer'

Or

'I went all in with AK first hand of the tourney and got called by AQ and a Q hit the flop'

I was thinking back to the rough beats I had a few weeks back and realised that the reason we all have a rant from time to time on this particular forum is because (generally) we are reasonable players, who like to read up on poker and gauge other players thoughts on a particular play you may have made. Thus we like to learn from our mistakes, and hence (hopefully) become long term poker winners.

This stated, I realised that although I do get outdrawn from time to time, generally, I go into a flop with the best of it. If I get outdrawn I get outdrawn - thats poker!

What I then began to realise is that even though I get outdrawn from time to time, it is a hell of a lot less than the times I outdraw somebody else - the reason being that I often have the best if pre-flop or on the flop.

That is why i think that we (collecitvely as a group of forum writers) feel exceptionally hard done by when the fish of Party, Stars or Paradise hit their 2 or 3 outer on the river. You know that you would never make that play, hence you could never be on the other end of that draw thus you would not be able to feel the really great high that counter acts the incredible low you feel when the scumbag hits their 2 outer.

If it happens it happens - just keep thinking that 'I am a better player because I would never make that play', not 'I am gonna give this game up because people keep hitting unreal cards'.

Always remember - the fish are out there, but there will always be the on that got away!

Jon

PS Sorry if this is crap, but just put my thought onto paper so to speak

[CrisBrown]

Hi Jon,

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What I then began to realise is that even though I get outdrawn from time to time, it is a hell of a lot less than the times I outdraw somebody else - the reason being that I often have the best if pre-flop or on the flop.

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This is the only sentence in your post with which I disagree. If you usually have the best of it when the money goes in, then by definition you'll take a lot more bad beats than you'll dish out, simply because the better hand doesn't need to outdraw the weaker one.

I've adopted something of a mantra when it comes to long-odds beats. I don't say it aloud, but I say it to myself:

"I wanted that call, just not that outcome."

Cris

[BradleyT]

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What I then began to realise is that even though I get outdrawn from time to time, it is a hell of a lot less than the times I outdraw somebody else

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Don't you mean you outdraw someone else less often because you have a strong hand, not a weak draw hand that you play till the river?

BTW, your whole concept is from a book or article, TOP maybe?

[Poker Jon]

Cris,

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This is the only sentence in your post with which I disagree. If you usually have the best of it when the money goes in, then by definition you'll take a lot more bad beats than you'll dish out, simply because the better hand doesn't need to outdraw the weaker one.


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You are completely right - managed to get that one messed up.

Maybe Poker writing isn't my specialist subject!

Cheers for your reply though

Jon

[Poker Jon]

Bradley,

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BTW, your whole concept is from a book or article, TOP maybe?

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No I haven't read that many books on poker - I know slap my wrists [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img]. I have neever seen or heard this particular theory - though if it has already been stated then apologies.
Was just trying to put down on paper some thoughts I had whilst taking a huge beat - again!! [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Cheers for your reply though

Jon