Raised on the turn.....Show this down?

[PokerBob]

Hero is UTG+1 with A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
Hero raises. UTG+2 cold calls. CO (poster) calls. BB calls. 4 to flop of T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]J [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

BB checks. Hero bets. UTG+2 calls. CO calls. BB folds.

Turn T [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

Hero bets. UTG+2 raises. CO folds. Hero calls.

River A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

Hero checks. UTG+2 bets. Hero calls.

I would like input on calling the turn raise and the river bet. Thanks, PokerBob.

[Vehn]

You have to call the turn. Most of the time you will want to check fold the river if you miss though. I wouldn't call here unimproved.

[PokerBob]

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You have to call the turn. Most of the time you will want to check fold the river if you miss though. I wouldn't call here unimproved.

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In your opinion, did the river ace improve my hand enough to call?

[sthief09]

I personally wouldn't have played it any differently. It's possible he was semi-bluff raising a flush draw or raising a J on the turn, so I show it down.

EDIT: to answer your question (which wasn't directed at me), yes, the A improves your hand enough to call down against anyone but the most passive players who you know, for a fact, have trips or better.

[Vehn]

Unfortunatly yes - even though almost all of the time a river bet here from your opponent means your beat, you only need to win a small amount of the time to make money on it. In other words I would pay off here almost all the time especially online.

[Nate tha' Great]

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You have to call the turn. Most of the time you will want to check fold the river if you miss though. I wouldn't call here unimproved.

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In your opinion, did the river ace improve my hand enough to call?

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If you have a question about whether you should have called the river, then you shouldn't have called the turn. 8.5:1 (if I'm calculating right) is not sufficient odds for a gutshot alone.

[Vehn]

He has a double gutshot.

[PokerBob]

UTG+2 turned over 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] for trip T's. He flopped open ended with middle pair and a backdoor flushdraw. Basically a monster drawing hand. However, IMO he is nuts for coldcalling 2 in this position (at least it is a call I would NEVER make pre-flop.) with unkown action behind him and the very real possibility that he will be heads up with the original raiser. Am I wrong to think this way?

[Lost Wages]

Am I wrong to think this way?

No, his preflop call was bad. You should be happy to be called by T9s when you raise with AQ.

Lost Wages

[Rico Suave]

Hey Pokerbob:

Does anyone check call the turn here? He has outs, so he has to call a raise. He is betting into 2 opponents who called his flop bet on a very drawy board, making it unlikely that our hero will take it down with a turn bet.

Anyone?

--Rico