1st weeks results for $200 Sit N Go's

[Pitcher]

Hi All,

I posted awhile back about moving up. I wanted to make the move from $50 to $200. I wasn't sure if this was such a great idea, but I had been occassionaly trying these and my results indicated I was not completely outclassed. Because I had such good long term results at the $50 level, I was sure I would be fine. So, here are the 1st. weeks results. This is admittedly not a large enough sample to be statistically valid. Ironically, though, these numbers are very similar to what I was doing at the $50 level. Also, I generally play "1 1/2 games at a time" What that means is that I will be in two games alot. I will start a second game anytime I am not down to heads up in the 1st game because I have a hard time during that period of a tournament concentrating on a second game. Anyway, here are my stats from Poker Tracker

# of tournaments: 44
Net amount won: $4140
Finished in the $: 45.45%
Avg Finish: 4.47
1st. place: 8
2nd place: 4
3rd place: 8

Over 2590 hands here are some further stats to mull over:

Saw Flop All Hands: 16.22%
Saw Flop Not a Blind: 9.85

Hands that I try to Steal on!
Attempt to Steal Blinds (fingers aren't chopped completely off [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) :42.23%
Steal Success: 50% no flop, 20% Won without Showdown,
When it went to a showdown on these hands, I won only 52%(ouch [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] glad William isn't in my games)

% Raised Pre Flop: 16.91
Aggression Factor: 2.29

So, I am pretty happy with these results. That said, it is early and I am sure many of the other players do not have a good read on me yet.

There are a couple of leaks I am working on right now:

1. This is one T_Perkin mentioned. I like to hammer pots with big hands instead of trying to extract extra chips. I am married to this "win the pot now, no matter what" mentality. Hey, if all you have is a hammer, everything begins to look like a nail! So, I have resolved to look at each of these situations and see if I have the opportunity to grab more chips (sticky fingers again [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img])
2. I do not react well when other players raise and I have decent holdings. I seem to think that small raises are a sign of weakness, so I frequently fire back way too hard. I call too many hands in this situation instead of folding. I have a tendency to "react" (frequently not very well) to this with aggression instead of thinking. It leads to some embarrassing early losses. I now have a note on my monitor that says "slow down when others raise" in big bold letters.
So, off too work on these leaks. Any suggestions here are greatly welcome.

Pitcher

[woodguy]

Pitcher,
Looks like you are doing well, I cannot comment further as you are playing well above my level.
I had to respond, because as I read that you had a note on your monitor stating:
"slow down when others raise"
I looked up on my monitor to see my own note : "When raised, I think, I do not react"
The note has helped me slow down and quit making as many "coin-flip" calls as I used to.
What other mental reminders do you use?
Regards,
woodguy

[eastbay]

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Hi All,

I posted awhile back about moving up. I wanted to make the move from $50 to $200. I wasn't sure if this was such a great idea, but I had been occassionaly trying these and my results indicated I was not completely outclassed. Because I had such good long term results at the $50 level, I was sure I would be fine. So, here are the 1st. weeks results. This is admittedly not a large enough sample to be statistically valid. Ironically, though, these numbers are very similar to what I was doing at the $50 level. Also, I generally play "1 1/2 games at a time" What that means is that I will be in two games alot. I will start a second game anytime I am not down to heads up in the 1st game because I have a hard time during that period of a tournament concentrating on a second game. Anyway, here are my stats from Poker Tracker

# of tournaments: 44
Net amount won: $4140
Finished in the $: 45.45%
Avg Finish: 4.47
1st. place: 8
2nd place: 4
3rd place: 8


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If you can maintain that, are you ditching your day job? Or did you do that already?

Pretty phenomenal results. Hope they hold up for you.

eastbay

[eastbay]

[ QUOTE ]
Hi All,

I posted awhile back about moving up. I wanted to make the move from $50 to $200. I wasn't sure if this was such a great idea, but I had been occassionaly trying these and my results indicated I was not completely outclassed. Because I had such good long term results at the $50 level, I was sure I would be fine. So, here are the 1st. weeks results. This is admittedly not a large enough sample to be statistically valid. Ironically, though, these numbers are very similar to what I was doing at the $50 level. Also, I generally play "1 1/2 games at a time" What that means is that I will be in two games alot. I will start a second game anytime I am not down to heads up in the 1st game because I have a hard time during that period of a tournament concentrating on a second game. Anyway, here are my stats from Poker Tracker

# of tournaments: 44
Net amount won: $4140
Finished in the $: 45.45%
Avg Finish: 4.47
1st. place: 8
2nd place: 4
3rd place: 8


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Just for kicks, here are some of my numbers at the $50 level:

# played: 172
Net amt: $2690
Finished in the $: 42%
Avg finish: 4.33
1st,2nd,3rd: 25,22,26

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Over 2590 hands here are some further stats to mull over:

Saw Flop All Hands: 16.22%
Saw Flop Not a Blind: 9.85


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16.56
9.18

Remarkably similar.

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Hands that I try to Steal on!
Attempt to Steal Blinds (fingers aren't chopped completely off :grin :42.23%
Steal Success: 50% no flop, 20% Won without Showdown,
When it went to a showdown on these hands, I won only 52%(ouch :grin: glad William isn't in my games)


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Attempted: 33%
59% no flop
64% won w/o SD
29% won at showdown

Looks like I have something to learn here. At what blind level do you start bothering with a steal attempt? I tend to not do much blind stealing until about the 50/100 or 100/200 level, at which point I tend to start going after them very aggressively, often moving in if I have about 10x BB in my stack or less.

The win at showdown #'s appear to say that you're taking blinds with fewer all-ins than me. I lose a lot showdowns because of "only called when beat" scenarios, which isn't necessarily bad, IMO, depending on how much you're making per steal and how often you're going to run into a calling hand.

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% Raised Pre Flop: 16.91
Aggression Factor: 2.29


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13%
2.58

I think this is indicative of my play as being a little too "all or nothing," too. I am usually quite rockish, playing only premium hands until about the 50/100 or 100/200 levels, at which I point I start moving in pretty liberally until I get doubled through, or grow my stack with blinds. This often catches people off guard at the $50 level. There seem to be two types of reactions:

1) The guys who think an all-in is always a bluff, and will double you up the first time you catch AT or better.

2) The guys who have you pegged as a rock and don't realize how big of an adjustment you've made, and will basically fold you the tournament.

In either case, it's a pretty good scenario. The guys who think every all-in is a bluff are more problematic as they at least threaten to end you even if they call you while behind.

eastbay

[PrayingMantis]

Great results, Pitcher.

Hope you'll keep getting these numbers, also on a larger sample.

I completely identify with what you say about "slow down when others raise", even on the lower buy-in's where I play. A raise infront of me would really make me consider and reconsider if I want to play, even if I hold some very nice hand. This is especially true, after a long series of hands when I was getting dealt garbage. It's very tempting to play your 99, TT, AJ, AQ, but so many times I find myslef behind or a coin-flip with this EP, or MP raiser, so I'm trying to give a good thought about my read of him, and other aspects, before I act.

Good job.

[jerome baker]

can you share w/ us how many 55 sng's have u played?
also, waht is your roi for the 55's.
thx.

[Pitcher]

Hi Jerome,

Over 2400. I averaged 220 per month for 11 months. My ROI was just over 40% with a 44% in the money. Note that my ROI rose slightly over that time and my % in the money dropped slightly (was pegged at 45.9% after 6 months). The reason for this is I started playing just a few more hands early so I could have more chips at the bubble.

Pitcher

[Pitcher]

Hi Eastbay,

Yeah, the results are good, but I am only cautiously optimistic. I haven't had the inevitable 6 game slide yet. Also, something really odd occurred on (I believe) Wednesday morning. I got up real early and played several tournaments. During that time I won two. They were the worst played tournaments I had seen in months. It reminded me of a $10 tourney. I was in shock. I have not seen play like that since, so my results may be skewed slightly by that. Even taking those away though, the results are promising.

Pitcher

[Pitcher]

Hi Preying Mantis,

I am with you about the results. I hope they hold up.

So I am not the only one around here with that react before thinking mentality! It is reassuring that I am not the only one struggling with this. At the same time, we need to fix it and I think slowing down and carefully evaluating is the only way to do it. I am trying harder and harder to play players instead of hands. I find this difficult at this level because I haven't played much with these players. I quickly need to develop the skill to see how individuals play with limited information. I have tended to focus on the tendencies of the whole table as opposed to individuals. That helps, but it is not enough IMO. Just slowing down should help. One thing I do now is keep my hand off the mouse when others bet. When I hold onto the mouse, I tend to react without thinking more often.

On another front, I will repeat what I said. If you are not playing at the $200 level, you should be (at least on PP). I think you play better than I do based on experience and your posts, so get with it! (unless I have this wrong and you are already are playing this level). I would say the same the Eastbay.

Pitcher

[Pitcher]

Hi Woodguy,

I have a poker diary (a running word document) that has a "preparedness" checklist. I go through this list before I play. I have anger issues, so I have a post that says "Respect the Game and the Players. Stay Calm" This helps combat feelings of revenge when someone makes a bad play and beats me. Any anger is a loss of control that must be combatted. That helps. I have one other message and I find this one invaluable:

Don't challenge strong players,
Challenge weak ones
That's what they're there for

This quote by John Vorhaus (Killer Poker) helps me more than any other. If you know a couple of other players on a table are strong capable players, don't tangle with them until you have to at the end! This helps alot!

Pitcher