He Called Me A Fish...

ML4L · #1 11-18-2003, 10:26 PM

Hey all,

Relatively tough 10/20 5-handed table on Paradise. I probably shouldn't even be playing, but oh well... One player is sitting out, so we're 4-handed at the moment.

Solid player open-raises from the cutoff, and I three-bet on the button with K [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Tight player calls from the SB (uh oh?), BB folds, and cutoff calls. 3 to the flop, which comes:

J [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]5 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

SB checks, CO leads out, I raise my overcards, SB folds, CO calls. Turn comes:

Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]

He checks, I bet, he calls. River comes:

3 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

He checks, I bet, he calls. My hand is good. This is when he called me a fish.

I thought my play of the hand was fairly straightforward; am I wrong?

ML4L

Diplomat · #2 11-18-2003, 10:36 PM

I'd complement him on his turn and river call.

-Diplomat

Diplomat · #3 11-18-2003, 10:37 PM

[img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

About the hand itself, I think you played it fine; I'd either fold or raise pre-flop, leaning towards folding. I don't like a cold-call here.

-Diplomat

nykenny · #4 11-18-2003, 10:53 PM

this is when i usually give a speech about how i lose all the time and can never beat the game and i am just there for the fun not the money and that he should be happy that i play this way and i still didn't care if i lose or not. [img]/images/graemlins/cool.gif[/img]

Diplomat · #5 11-18-2003, 10:54 PM

Yes.

-Diplomat

stripsqueez · #6 11-18-2003, 10:58 PM

i'm a regular in this school...

3 betting is optional but i think 4 handed its a reasonably standard play - the merits of 3 betting depend a lot on what you expect the blinds to do

playing 5 max i more often than not cold call (or 3 bet) a raise with KQo - its my notional cutoff for cold calling without specific information on my opponents

the rest of the hand is terribly normal - i played this hand in this school last night as the BB after UTG raised and i called as the BB heads up - i check raised the flop that was J9x rainbow - i think that is reasonably standard too - i too hit a queen on the turn and won

stripsqueez - chickenhawk

PokerPrince · #7 11-19-2003, 12:15 AM

Perhaps this player isn't as 'solid' as you make him out to be. I think this term is thrown around WAY too loosely on here.

PokerPrince

cero_z · #8 11-19-2003, 01:37 AM

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About the hand itself, I think you played it fine; I'd either fold or raise pre-flop, leaning towards folding. I don't like a cold-call here.

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Hi Diplomat,
Did I hear you right? You would fold KQo on the button when the cutoff raises in a 4-handed game? I never fold in this spot, and virtually always re-raise. My guess is that you missed the fact that the game was short handed. If not, please explain (I'm not being sarcastic- it just would never occur to me to play this tight).

cero_z · #9 11-19-2003, 01:41 AM

Hi ML4L,
IMO your play was straight science. He held AJ or KJ, and got mad when you hit one of your many outs.

DocHollyday · #10 11-19-2003, 06:40 AM

Hey ML4L,

It is obvious who was the fish. However, I never get angry about someone calling me a fish. I want my opponents to consider me fish. The more I can make them believe that, the more they will underestimate my play and tend to make mistakes.

And anyways, if such comments piss you off, you've got the opportunity to just shut down the chat. That's what I do, if I want to play poker without the blabbering. It's only distraction anyways, right?