large and strange hand

Guruman · #1 09-06-2005, 08:10 PM

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

table has a 45+ vpip. Very loose and passive.

Preflop: Hero is Button with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG calls,1 fold, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 raises, 2 folds, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

I figured this situation was as good as having 4 cold callers in front of me.

Flop: (15 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, Hero calls , SB calls, BB calls, UTG folds.

massive odds to go for a bd flush draw

Turn: (10 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, Hero checks.

I probably screwed the pooch by not betting for value here. After considering for too long I feared another caller holding the K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] and took the free card. How horrible is this?

river card and action in white. Please do not look until you respond to the rest of the hand. Thx!

 River: (10 BB) K diamond (5 players)
SB bets, BB calls, UTG+2 raises, MP2 folds, Hero 3-bets, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+2 calls.

Final Pot: 18 BB

@bsolute_luck · #2 09-06-2005, 08:15 PM

massive odds? on a 1.5 outer? not even close.

edit: nice suckout.

aK13 · #3 09-06-2005, 08:16 PM

The turn check is fine. Your bet is breakeven against 4 callers (but if one folds, you lose), and you're unlikely to fold out an A (so no clearing up outs for you).

aK13 · #4 09-06-2005, 08:17 PM

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massive odds? on a 1.5 outer? not even close.

edit: nice suckout.

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With the backdoor straight possibility, it's not terrible.

Guruman · #5 09-06-2005, 08:26 PM

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massive odds? on a 1.5 outer? not even close.

edit: nice suckout.

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I'm like an artist. I draw well!

on the flop I was relying on the fact that these guys play the river sooo poorly as well as the straight draw to keep going.

my real Q is pf here.

eviljeff · #6 09-06-2005, 09:08 PM

what are you doing calling the flop? a bdfd is a 1.5 outer. look up what kind of pot odds you need for that. not even close.

milesdyson · #7 09-06-2005, 09:10 PM

tack on another ~.75 outs for the backdoor straight draw and 17:1 starts to not look so bad.

eviljeff · #8 09-06-2005, 09:10 PM

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my real Q is pf here.

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if the table is passive then you're going to need more than top pair to take it down. I fold it.

eviljeff · #9 09-06-2005, 09:14 PM

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tack on another ~.75 outs for the backdoor straight draw and 17:1 starts to not look so bad.

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.75 for a double gapper seems generous. add in the fact that if a J or K hits on 4th street (or if pfr is sandbagging) we might have to put in multiple big bets and we are, once again, sad in the pants.

@bsolute_luck · #10 09-06-2005, 09:18 PM

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tack on another ~.75 outs for the backdoor straight draw and 17:1 starts to not look so bad.

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nah. still looks bad. you're not even breaking even if SB and BB come along and you have to catch runner-runner so you have to get lucky twice, plus you'll be (usually) paying another on the turn and you don't know how many will be along there either.