TT flopped bottom set and some heavy action, help!

Abelardo · #1 07-26-2005, 12:53 AM

here both opponents are loose and a bit aggressive (neutral agg), CO PFR was a bit low so that's why I didn't cap preflop. On the turn I felt I was behind BB flopped straight or even worse CO set of kings, i've been at the table for a while and never seen such heavy action before, I found myself begging for the board to pair and badly wanted a showdown, should I fold anywhere in the hand? I figured out the pot was BIG so I was going to a showdown at all costs. Did I went into calldown too soon? This is too confusing for me. Thanks.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
Hero raises, MP calls, CO 3-bets, 2 folds, BB calls, Hero calls, MP calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, MP calls, CO 3-bets, BB caps, Hero calls, MP calls, CO calls.

Turn: (14.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, Hero raises, MP calls, CO 3-bets, BB calls, Hero calls, MP calls.

River: (26.25 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, Hero calls, MP folds, CO raises, BB 3-bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

MrWookie47 · #2 07-26-2005, 01:57 AM

You should never be thinking about seeing a showdown at any cost. You want to see a showdown at the right cost. Well, unless you think you're ahead, and then you're making the other guy see a showdown at an arbitrarily large cost.

I don't think you can fold anwhere before the river. It's just hard to include AK as a likely holding for CO any more. This could be considered to be overplayed if he had KK, let alone AK. The only button he's pushed so far is the 3bet button.

When you get to the river, I think you have to fold when it's two back to you, and I might fold to the first bet. CO is playing like he has the stone cold nuts, and he's pretty likely to raise that river bet. If you knew you were going to see a showdown for one bet, you might get away with calling, but I'm not sure if you'd even be good often enough since you're against two opponents, besides Corporal Cold Call.

Sucks to fold sets, but I think you have to fold that river. You pretty much need to have BB holding a grossly overplayed KJo, AND CO having a grossly overplayd AK or AA. Compared to the times you'll see JJ, KK, AQ, Q9, even if you can't fold to the first BB bet, I think you have to when it's two more back to you, especially since CO might still cap.

gharp · #3 07-26-2005, 02:04 AM

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here both opponents are loose and a bit aggressive (neutral agg)

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I'm not sure what "a bit aggressive (neutral agg)" means (which is it?), but assuming it means "aggressive" I'd probably call on the river like you did. The pot is just too insanely big to fold your set. You only have to be good about 1 time in 10 and I think you will be here against aggressive psycho 6-max opponents (overplaying AA, KJ, etc).

aK13 · #4 07-26-2005, 02:17 AM

I'd play it the same, I think.