Big League Spew?

[shant]

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB caps</font>, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, Hero calls, CO calls.

Flop: (24.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+2 bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">BB 3-bets</font>, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, CO folds, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Yes? No?

[Kyle]

fold preflop. Flop looks good

[SmileyEH]

Fold preflop. Flop looks fine.

-SmileyEH

[MagicFlea]

I think this is right... but obviously 70% of the time you're going to lose a bunch of money on this hand. However this is a huge pot and you have to try to know people out. You never know, CO may have had the only other A and you just won yourself the pot when it falls...

oh wait. bad call preflop. blech

[shant]

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fold preflop.

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This was my main question, so I probably should've posted it without the flop. I don't cold-call often, but how many people need to coldcall before I should even consider it?

[SmileyEH]

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fold preflop.

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This was my main question, so I probably should've posted it without the flop. I don't cold-call often, but how many people need to coldcall before I should even consider it?

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Position is more important in this case. If there were two cold callers, the open raiser was a little laggy and you had the button or the CO I CC here.

-SmileyEH

[Justin A]

I don't think the preflop call is that bad. If I'm on the button I think it's an easy call. Since you're MP2 I think it's a fold, but only barely, so you're not costing yourself much.

[Isura]

I think you need to know either 1) the game is very passive preflop or 2) you are closer to closing the action, to make this a profitable cold-call against an UTG1 raiser.

[HajiShirazu]

I think cold calls like this are pretty bad. I would much rather have 22 here and 22 is close, if not a fold.
Note that your equity is pretty bad, but worse, you don't have a very bettable hand postflop unless you make a flush.

Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

4,478,768 games 29.482 secs 151,915 games/sec

Board:
Dead:

equity (%) win (%) / tie (%)

Hand 1: 34.0426 % [ 00.33 00.01 ] { AA-99, AKs-ATs, KQs, AKo-AJo, KQo }
Hand 2: 22.6093 % [ 00.22 00.01 ] { 99-22, AJs-A5s, KQs-K8s, QJs-Q8s, JTs-J9s, T9s-T8s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, AQo-ATo, KQo-KTo, QJo }
Hand 3: 22.5360 % [ 00.22 00.01 ] { 99-22, AJs-A6s, KQs-K8s, QJs-Q9s, JTs-J9s, T9s, 98s, 87s, 76s, 65s, 54s, 43s, AQo-ATo, KQo-KTo, QJo }
Hand 4: 20.8122 % [ 00.20 00.01 ] { A4s }

[crunchy1]

I think you need to take into account at least one random hand from the remaining players left to act into this analysis which would give Hero enough equity to make the call here.

The bigger factor is what the players left to act behind you are. Putting 4 bets into this pot PF sucks. If you had reads that other players were generally passive (and loose) I think the PF call is fine.