Raising on the river.

TripleH68 · #1 04-15-2005, 03:13 PM

PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

TA is tight aggressive, thinking player. VP$IP = 13.

Preflop:
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 2 folds, TripleH68 raises, 2 folds, BB :#A500AF(TA)/ calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
TA checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, TripleH68 bets, TA raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, TripleH68 calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
TA bets, TripleH68 calls.

River: (8.16 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
TA bets, TripleH68 raises...

You are TA. What do you hold(getting 7 to 1 in the BB)? What do you think I have here? Can you find a fold on the river?

mantasm · #2 04-15-2005, 03:17 PM

I have KQ, you have AJd, AQ, something else, I don't know. I'm not folding.

meep_42 · #3 04-15-2005, 03:18 PM

You have AQ, possibly AQd.
TA may have KQs/o, KJs, KTs, 77-TT -- and I think he can find a fold of anything but KQ here -- unless he has JTd, in which case he 3-bets.

-d

TripleH68 · #4 04-15-2005, 07:09 PM

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PokerStars 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

TA is tight aggressive, thinking player. VP$IP = 13.

Preflop:
1 fold, UTG+1 calls, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 2 folds, TripleH68 raises, 2 folds, BB :#A500AF(TA)/ calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
TA checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, TripleH68 bets, TA raises, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, TripleH68 calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
TA bets, TripleH68 calls.

River: (8.16 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
TA bets, TripleH68 raises...

You are TA. What do you hold(getting 7 to 1 in the BB)? What do you think I have here? Can you find a fold on the river?

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Thanks for the responses. Hero had 8 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. I came close to folding on the turn, but thought I had a shot at more outs on the river than just the two eights given my read. This is a play I would use sparingly, given it needs to work quite often to be +EV. Any other thoughts?

Shillx · #5 04-15-2005, 08:34 PM

Looks to me like you have some kind of a suited ace here. Either AQ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] or AJ [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. Meh I was way off. [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

My only argument with popping the river is that he will often times have Ax [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. His flop check raise is probably the best way to play this hand (something like A9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) since he might get you do fold a hand like AJ or TT. Not many players will be able to toss in top pair to a river raise here, so if he does have a suited ace that would be my only corcern. You are getting 4.6:1 on the raise however, and you have to assume that he will muck a hand like KJs in this spot. You took a read and went with it...nice hand.

Brad

TripleH68 · #6 04-15-2005, 10:24 PM

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My only argument with popping the river is that he will often times have Ax [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. His flop check raise is probably the best way to play this hand (something like A9 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]) since he might get you do fold a hand like AJ or TT.

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Thanks Brad,

My default play from the blind in this situation(villain) with a flush draw is to smooth call and draw, figuring I am behind. The added fold equity from a deceptive c-r can be a nice move against the right players. Thanks, TripleH.