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10-07-2002, 12:51 PM
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Pairs and draws.
This is a bit of a response to my post “Dealing with gluey players.”, and relates to loose, passive games with many calling stations.
The most frustrating situation for me is to have AA or KK hole-cards, bet them pre-flop, and no one folds. I usually bet the flop and am lucky to get a couple of folds. I’m still seeing the turn with a crowd only to watch a straight or flush form. My absolute favorite, though, is having someone make their two pair on the turn and river, 74o beats AA. More often than not, my single big pair does not survive the crowd. In games that are passive pre-flop, I have been experimenting with a position-less approach (in terms of starting hand selection). What I mean is if there isn’t much/any pre-flop betting going on, I’ll play any pairs or drawing cards from any position. Why not play 78s from UTG if I know that no one will bet behind me? Then, hit the flop or drop. I just started trying this out, any thoughts? Oh, please bear in mind that these are the crazy, micro-limit games. [img]/forums/images/icons/crazy.gif[/img] 
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#2
10-07-2002, 01:39 PM
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Re: Pairs and draws.
I think if the game is loose and very passive, your plan is a good one. I've played in many games where six players seeing the flop was normal and the vast majority of players only raised their huge pocket pairs. In these types of games you can play 22 or 67s UTG with impunity.
Oh, and as for you losing with AA and KK in multiway pots, that's exactly what's supposed to happen.
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#4
10-07-2002, 06:04 PM
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Re: Pairs and draws.
How do you play AA and KK in multiway pots?
Very well. [img]/forums/images/icons/wink.gif[/img] I didn't mean to imply you were losing with AA and KK because you were playing them poorly. I was just pointing out that when you start taking them against four or more opponents, you should expect to lose the majority of the time, no matter how aggressively you play, which isn't to say you aren't making a ton of money with them.
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#5
10-07-2002, 06:59 PM
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Re: Pairs and draws.
I didn’t take you comment negatively, the question was serious. I would really like to know how you or any other experienced player plays them. Should I play them aggressively unless the action/board indicates that I’m probably beaten? Take my lumps when I have to, pocket the money the rest of the time?
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#7
10-07-2002, 07:40 PM
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Re: Pairs and draws.
Thanks AceHigh
It’s something I just thought about tinkering with. I was playing $1/$2 at PP last night. There were times when the cast of characters was pretty stable and I noted how passive it was, virtually no pre-flop betting for awhile. That’s when I decided to try loosening up, not playing crap just the smaller stuff out of position. It worked well. But, as you know better than I, those games can change in a heartbeat. Always adjusting seems major online because the game can shift so quickly and often.
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#9
10-07-2002, 09:01 PM
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Re: Pairs and draws.
The most frustrating situation for me is to have AA or KK hole-cards, bet them pre-flop, and no one folds.
I think you just have the wrong philosophy. When I raise my AA or KK pre-flop and nobody folds, I'm absoltely giddy. The best possible situation to be in is to hold AA in a family pot which gets capped pre-flop. I usually bet the flop and am lucky to get a couple of folds When I bet the flop, I'm hoping to get lucky enough to get a couple of calls. Or even better, a raise. You seem to want everybody to fold when you bet. You don't make your money that way. You make you money by betting or raising and getting called by worse hands.
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#10
10-07-2002, 10:12 PM
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Re: Pairs and draws.
If I could give you one adverb that should describe how you should play with AA and KK, it would be "aggressively". Obviously, there are exceptions, though.
The next few times you're in a tough spot with these hands, write down the details and post them on the small stakes forum.
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