SSH principles applied to SH games

[Derek in NYC]

I am a full ring player experimenting with the 5/10 shorthanded game. What reading do you recommend? Some of the SSH principles seem to not apply (or at least I have discarded them). For instance, I play offsuit broadway cards much more forcefully shorthanded, including cold calling (or reraising) with many hands I would fold in a ring game such as AJo, KQo, etc. But I am literally <1000 hands at 5/10 SH, and want to do some reading. Recommendations?

[J.R.]

the recent archives.

[Scotch78]

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the recent archives.

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Also, cold-calling is just as bad short-handed.

Scott

[Derek in NYC]

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cold-calling is just as bad short-handed.

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I find this statement very interesting. Although I am profitable at the limits I play, in full ring games, I have always struggled to keep my VPIP below 20%. Usually, I hover between 19% and 21%, with about an 8% PFR and AFs in the 3.0 range. So I think by nature, I may be a bit LAGgy, with emphasis on L preflop, and AG postflop.

In SH tables, this tendency to want to play a lot of hands really comes out, and I will play/raise ace-rag first in from late position, steal-raise 9To from the button, raise any middle pair from any position, etc. I dont have enough hands right now, but I'd guess my PFR is around 35-40%, and I'm probably raising 20% of my hands preflop.

I defend blinds a lot more (at least by calling to see the flop rather than 3-betting), and I will happily play a hand like KQ to a raise from a LAGgy player. The only players whose raises I avoid are those with 20-25% VPIPs.

But these 5/10 tables seem to have so many people playing so much different crap, I dont see how you can avoid coldcalling and still play your share of hands outside the blinds. I mean, 30% of the time in a SH game you're in a blind, so for the 4 other times, you have to take advantage of your button almost every time (either by limping with a hand you think you can play well after the flop, or steal raising).

Anyhow, I'm rambling because its late and Im tired. I'm looking forward to becoming a participating member of this forum, and learning from your collective wisdom.

[J.R.]

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but I'd guess my PFR is around 35-40%, and I'm probably raising 20% of my hands preflop.

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I will play/raise ace-rag first in from late position, steal-raise 9To from the button, raise any middle pair from any position, etc.

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this is par for the course

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The only players whose raises I avoid are those with 20-25% VPIPs.

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you want to look pfr for this, not vpip?

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I dont see how you can avoid coldcalling and still play your share of hands outside the blinds

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3-bet, especially in position

[Derek in NYC]

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but I'd guess my PFR is around 35-40%, and I'm probably raising 20% of my hands preflop.

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sorry i meant vpip

[billyjex]

A VPIP of 35-40% is too high for 6-max.

[stigmata]

Reccomended reading:

One or Two classic threads for 6-max newbies.

This should do you for Preflop

I thought this 6-max strategy guide summed it up fairly well

Also there are relevant chapters in HEPFAP and MLH.

As a side note... Shouldnt we think about having a sticky for this forum? (seeing as that seems to be all the rage at the moment) [img]/images/graemlins/laugh.gif[/img]

[yecul]

Thanks stigmata, I'm new to SH games as well, so those links were helpful.

[Subby]

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Reccomended reading: I thought this 6-max strategy guide summed it up fairly well


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Thanks for linking this - hadn't seen it before. Any caveats before I dive in? Or is everything in there air-tight?

Thanks again.