Farha in Tunica

[KDTitans]

Heard some buzz about a cheating scandal in Tunica, something about Farha and a $4,000-$8,000 Omaha side game. Anyone there who knows what the story is?

[gonores]

It's differs from story-teller to story-teller, but the most commonly heard rumor was that he shot an angle at Doyle, at showdown, Doyle opened first and said "8s up." Farha apparently said "chop it up, I have 8s up too," although his second pair was lower. He was kicked out of the game for maybe a 24 hour period or so, but he was back in the game the next day.

[slickpoppa]

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It's differs from story-teller to story-teller, but the most commonly heard rumor was that he shot an angle at Doyle, at showdown, Doyle opened first and said "8s up." Farha apparently said "chop it up, I have 8s up too," although his second pair was lower. He was kicked out of the game for maybe a 24 hour period or so, but he was back in the game the next day.

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If that is what happened, then that is not an angle shoot. Announcing that you have the wrong hand at show down is neither illegal nor effective. Doyle or the dealer would certainly notice that Doyle has the better hand.

[Daliman]

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It's differs from story-teller to story-teller, but the most commonly heard rumor was that he shot an angle at Doyle, at showdown, Doyle opened first and said "8s up." Farha apparently said "chop it up, I have 8s up too," although his second pair was lower. He was kicked out of the game for maybe a 24 hour period or so, but he was back in the game the next day.

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If that is what happened, then that is not an angle shoot. Announcing that you have the wrong hand at show down is neither illegal nor effective. Doyle or the dealer would certainly notice that Doyle has the better hand.

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Of course it's an angle shot. If he had said he had a flush and Doyle mucked, would it not be. A misread is a misread, but I think Farha likely knew what he was doing. I suppose it's possible he may have just been trying to be cute.

[fsuplayer]

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It's differs from story-teller to story-teller, but the most commonly heard rumor was that he shot an angle at Doyle, at showdown, Doyle opened first and said "8s up." Farha apparently said "chop it up, I have 8s up too," although his second pair was lower. He was kicked out of the game for maybe a 24 hour period or so, but he was back in the game the next day.

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thats right except i am pretty sure it was todd brunson.

apparently they tried to roll back the tapes, but they couldnt see the cards.

the whole thing happened after the pot was chopped, when the proof was gone.

doyle got pretty heated, told him to give todd the money, he wouldnt, they kicked him out.

the next night however he was back in, with a monster stack of chips.

[slickpoppa]

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It's differs from story-teller to story-teller, but the most commonly heard rumor was that he shot an angle at Doyle, at showdown, Doyle opened first and said "8s up." Farha apparently said "chop it up, I have 8s up too," although his second pair was lower. He was kicked out of the game for maybe a 24 hour period or so, but he was back in the game the next day.

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If that is what happened, then that is not an angle shoot. Announcing that you have the wrong hand at show down is neither illegal nor effective. Doyle or the dealer would certainly notice that Doyle has the better hand.

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Of course it's an angle shot. If he had said he had a flush and Doyle mucked, would it not be. A misread is a misread, but I think Farha likely knew what he was doing. I suppose it's possible he may have just been trying to be cute.

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The OP said that brunson showed his hand first (Assuming that's what he means by "Doyle opened first and said '8s up.'") Therefore, for Farha to chop the pot, he would have to show his hand and the dealer would have to compare the hands. Anytime a pot is chopped the dealer must see both hands and verify that the pot should be chopped. So Farha could have only gained an advantage by calling a chop if somehow both the dealer and his opponent misread the hands, which I would find very hard to believe.

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If he had said he had a flush and Doyle mucked, would it not be.

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Well, this did not happen, at least according to the OP's story. Farha allegedly did not announce a better hand, but announced a chop. But even if Farha did announce a better hand at showdown, the story would only make sense if Farha showed his hand first and Brunson decided to muck a hand that would have tied or better. Even then, that is more of sutpidity on Brunson's part than an angle shoot by Farha. But according to the story, Brunson showed his hand first. So again, there would have to have been an egregious error by the dealer and Brunson for Farha to somehow end up with the pot.

Maybe Farha did shoot an angle, but the way that the OP described the story just does not add up. This is why people should not post rumors like this unless they have very credible information about what happened.

[Randy_Refeld]

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Therefore, for Farha to chop the pot, he would have to show his hand and the dealer would have to compare the hands. Anytime a pot is chopped the dealer must see both hands and verify that the pot should be chopped

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In BIG GAMES the players generally read their hands and tell the dealer who wins.

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[Dynasty]

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Announcing that you have the wrong hand at show down is neither illegal nor effective.

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There are many situations when it is.

In the Commerce lowball game, you can automatically lose the pot if you don't announce that you have a pair hand. So, if you simply table a hand like 2,2,4,6,7, you lose even if it's the best hand. You must say that you have a pair

Tommy Angelo has often posted about a California casino where if you verbally announce your hand incorrectly, you can lose the pot. So, when Tommy is heads-up with an opponent at the showdown and his opponent verbally says "trips" or some other hand which has Tommy beat, Tommy mucks his hand immediately. His opponent is then required to show the hand. If it's not what he declared it to be, he's disqualified from winning the pot (thus Tommy will pull the chips in).

[slickpoppa]

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In BIG GAMES the players generally read their hands and tell the dealer who wins.

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I find it very hard to believe that there is a policy at any casino that a dealer does not verify the cards on the table before giving a player a pot at showdown. If anything, the bigger the game, the more reason there would be to have someone else verify that the best hand wins the pot. There is no reason for that policy other than that it might save about half a second.

[Rushmore]

From what I've read about this all over Creation, it was, at the very least, an angle shot.

From what I further gather from any number of different sources, one is expected not to shoot angles in these games, and the dealer is not as involved in the play of the hand as you might find at lower limits, obviously.

For Farha to mis-call his hand and to pull down the pot is inexcusable, if this is what happened.

The fact that he was back in the game the next day strikes me as odd, to say the least.