Folding AA + flush draw to all in early. Weak?

[bigredlemon]

10+1
Lvl1: 10/15

Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: jhova2004 ( $800 )
Seat 4: CuBuffalo ( $785 )
Seat 5: promethias ( $830 )
Seat 6: mred1961 ( $775 )
Seat 2: maybebettern ( $840 )
Seat 10: HERO ( $1125 )
Seat 3: mpagac ( $855 )
Seat 7: gelyourmoney ( $430 )
Seat 8: screens ( $775 ) BUTTON

Dealt to HERO [ Ad Ac ]
maybebettern calls [15].
mpagac calls [15].
promethias calls [15].
HERO raises [35].
maybebettern calls [35].
promethias calls [35].

** Dealing Flop ** [ Jd, 2d, 3d ]

HERO bets [50].
maybebettern raises [700].

maybebettern does not show cards.
maybebettern wins 925 chips


Cliffs: AA in hole. I re-raise limpers 2.2xBB (This has come to haunt me more often than I'd like.)

Flop is all diamonds. I have Ad. I get re-raised all in. (No reads since it's the first hand he's played)

Should I have called?

[soko]

Fold.

[bigredlemon]

[ QUOTE ]
Fold.

[/ QUOTE ]Presuming I was on the button and it was checked to me, betting the pot would have been the right move, then?

[illab]

Yeah it wasnt worth calling with such a big bet into a 150 chip pot. You definitely need to raise much bigger with a big hands like AA. In a 10+1(usually a loose game) and in the first level when the crazy players havent been weeded out yet you should raise enough so that you only have one or two callers. Raising to 35 wont get anyone to fold, raise to 80 maybe even 100.

[bigredlemon]

I wasn't trying to get people to fold. I was trying to build a pot. Which, as I said before has probably caused more grief than anything.

[ChrisV]

The advice to fold is crazy. Here's the worst case scenario for you:

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Ad 349 35.25 641 64.75 0 0.00 0.353
3s 3c 641 64.75 349 35.25 0 0.00 0.647

This results in a net loss of 120 chips compared to folding. By contrast, here is a more common situation for you:

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Ad 848 85.66 142 14.34 0 0.00 0.857
Js Kd 142 14.34 848 85.66 0 0.00 0.143

Net chip gain: 640. I know chip EV isn't everything but a fold here is waaaay too pessimistic.

The advice to raise more preflop is correct. I would make it 100 in this situation. A standard raise in this situation for me would be 75, but there is no reason not to raise a bit more in the earlier rounds.

EDIT: I didn't include opponent having a flush as a scenario because I don't believe it's very likely. That big raise looks like someone protecting their hand. But if you're interested here it is:

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ac Ad 314 31.72 676 68.28 0 0.00 0.317
Kd Qd 676 68.28 314 31.72 0 0.00 0.683

Net chip loss: 170.

[mythrilfox]

In a ring game or a MTT, it would be an easy call. Due to the level of play there's a very high percentage he has a jack. However, with sngs it's probably not worth risking, because if you double up it's not going to be *that* big of an advantage, and if you lose it will be crippling (obviously - your tournament life at stake). Thus, I like the fold. Not worth the risk. Kind of like Pascal's wager.

[poboy]

I don't think you can lay this down. Even if you are behind(which is unlikely) you have a draw to the nut flush.

The bigger problem with this hand is the amounts of your preflop raise and your flop bet. There are 2 reasons to raise here. One is to get people to fold , the other is to build a pot. 35 chips doesn't accomplish either of these. The same holds true for the flop, you either want people to fold or pay too much to draw. By betting 50 you are not accomplishing either of these. I've seen a couple hands that you've posted in other threads and this seems to be a reccuring theme. You are playing as if you were in a limit game, and that simply will not work in NL.

[adanthar]

You know how half my hand posts are laydowns and a lot of people completely hate them?

I completely hate this. (I also completely hate your smallish PF raise, but will not dwell on that.)

It's 10+1. You shouldn't try to get into your opponent's head and you shouldn't care. You have aces with the nut flush draw on a J32 board against one guppy. Call.

[SuitedSixes]

Agreed. At 10+1 this screams of AJ protecting himself against a flush.