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Old 12-25-2004, 09:43 AM
partygirluk partygirluk is offline
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Default Top Pair but hand

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) converter

saw flop|<font color="#C00000">saw showdown</font>

CO (t1500)
Button (t3120)
<font color="#C00000">Hero (t1480)</font>
BB (t1500)
UTG (t1500)
<font color="#C00000">UTG+1 (t1400)</font>
MP1 (t1500)
MP2 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t20, MP1 calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls t20, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero completes, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to t60</font>, UTG+1 calls t40, MP1 calls t40, CO calls t40, Hero calls t40.

Flop: (t300) Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t280</font>, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to t1340</font>, MP1 folds, CO folds, Hero calls t1060.

Turn: (t2980) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

River: (t2980) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>

Final Pot: t2980
<font color="#009B00">Main Pot: t2980 (t2980), between Hero and UTG+1.</font>

What do you think? Firstly, my pot sized flop bet. I thought it seemed the best way to find out "where I was" and "who is boss", and on this board I think pot sized is the right amount. Then he pushed and my top pair no kicker comes under pressure. I just felt that his overbet looked very much like a draw but should I have folded? If he didn't have a draw then I am surely beaten, and if he does have one I can still lose.

Thoughts?
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Old 12-25-2004, 10:25 AM
ChrisV ChrisV is offline
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Default Re: Top Pair but hand

This was very bad. It's worth calling the preflop raise but only so you can try and flop something monstrous. The idea of betting out the pot on that flop makes me shudder. Also - if the idea of this bet was to "find out where you are", and somebody raises allin, doesn't that qualify as having found out where you are? I have no idea how you classify his raise as an overbet - by the time he gets to put in his raise, the pot is what, 800 chips? and he's raising 1060? What would you consider a normal raise in this situation?

I would have checked this flop and decided what to do based on the action, but it would often involve folding.
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Old 12-25-2004, 10:26 AM
hyde hyde is offline
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Default Re: Top Pair but hand

GTFO was what came immediately to my mind.
Get .......Out.

too much to lose
too early to lose it
too likely to lose it

you can hit the flop
you can miss the flop
you can get a piece of the flop

you got a piece of the flop.
and not as generous a piece as it looks.
and the reraise says he got a bigger piece....AQ?

results please.

hyde (dr. jekyl)
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Old 12-25-2004, 06:03 PM
partygirluk partygirluk is offline
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He had Q9 but in my gut I knew I played this badly.
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