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Commerce 4-8: 5-handed with ATo UTG
Other than the occasional times when several players are taking dinner/bathroom breaks, I don't play shorthanded games. I haven't managed to figure out the full games yet so I'm not about to get into the trickier shorthanded world. While on my roadtrip to the Commerce Casino in California, I was involved in a 5-handed 4-8 game for about half an hour in the early morning hours when the graveyard players were beginning to leave and the early birds hadn't yet arrived. The hand: I'm dealt AsTh under the gun. This is a hand I always muck in early position in full games but I have at least enough knowledge of shorthanded play to realize it had some value in this 5-handed game. So, I open with a raise hoping to either win the blinds or play against 1 or 2 opponents and win the pot with a flop bet. A MP calls and so does the big blind. Three players see the flop. Neither of these players are any good. Both seem to be fairly typical low-limit players who play for recreation and don't study the game seriously. The flop is: Kc,7h,3d I bet the flop. MP calls. The big blind folds The turn is: Kc,7h,3d,Tc Hey, I actually have a hand to showdown now! I bet and the MP raises. Now what? |
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Re: Commerce 4-8: 5-handed with ATo UTG
Depends on your opponent. Against a typical low limit player it is a clear fold. Against a trickier opponent... I think it depends on what you think he thinks of your play. If you think there is a fair chance he puts you on a steal I think it is call.. check/call situation (assuming you miss on the river). If you had missed the turn... and a blank (not giving straight or flush possibilities) arrives it could be a check/raise time. I really believe short handed play is much more about "mind games" and knowing the opposition than hand holding contests. Cheers, Keith |
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Re: Commerce 4-8: 5-handed with ATo UTG
Against someone I was going to play with for a while I would call to see if this was a delayed raise, made hand on turn raise or just a play. At worst, for $16 you get information can serve you pretty well, if you think you'll be at the table with them for a bit. Tough hand for a shorthanded full game with new players. KJS |
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Re: Commerce 4-8: 5-handed with ATo UTG
i agree with thehawk. typica low limit players are crappy and predictable. good to come out betting on the turn to know where you stand.... you saved yourself a bet. SWIFTY |
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Re: Commerce 4-8: 5-handed with ATo UTG
you have an easy fold here against clueless players. youre looking at something like KT, T7, or a set. if you want to call and try to spike an A you can, but really since the pot is small it's not quite worth it and you will have to fold on the river when he bets again. i just cant understand why you dont play higher dynasty. 4-8 is way way below your level of sophistication. you would easily beat 9-18 in LA and probably do well at 15-30 if you have the bankroll for that. |
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A bad call, A good river card
I called the turn raise. Clarkmeister was constantly telling me California players would be raising me with far weaker hands than I would expect. Therefore, I couldn't give them credit for too big a hand. Even though I saw many janky hands getting showndown, I'm not sure it's best for ME to play that way. Clarkmeister is far better at handling these types of situations. So, I called anyway. The river is: Kc,7h,3d,Tc,Td I check. My opponent bets. I check-raise and get called. My hand was good. My opponent was really ticked off. [img]/images/smile.gif[/img] He must have thought I was a local. |
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Re: Commerce 4-8: 5-handed with ATo UTG
I'm working my way up gradually while still playing Stud as well. In Vegas, I've played as high as 8-16 at the Bellagio in addition to the 6-12 game at the Mirage. I haven't played as much Hold'em this month as I've played Stud. As a result, I've gotten into a rut of going back to the 4-8 game. I'll need to break that soon. I was planning to play 10-20 Stud tonight (which I played at the Commerce) but the game was 3-handed. So, I slummed it at the 5-10 game. I expect to be giving the Mirage 10-20 stud game a good try. That 4-8 hand was played on the final morning while I was there. There was only one 9-18 game running so I simply took the easy game and protected my winnings for the trip. I wanted the bragging rights of beating Clarkmeister and D.Andrew. |
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