83o push?

[ilya]

Seat 5 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 3: Digger49 ( $1370 )
Seat 5: adewese ( $2400 )
Seat 6: queenahrts ( $1385 )
Seat 7: mrzarembsky ( $790 )
Seat 8: WRXtasy_03 ( $750 )
Seat 9: vtornik ( $1305 )
Trny:5479868 Level:5
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to mrzarembsky [ 8c 3s ]
WRXtasy_03 is all-In.
vtornik folds.
Digger49 calls [750].


Blinds going up next hand; anybody push here?

[jah0550]

Are you serious? If you even have to ask that question, go back to play money.

[jeeves]

Not with a caller already in front of you. Since this is about as bad a hand as you can get, I would have to think you're better off pushing next turn with any two cards and hoping for just one caller than calling now with rags against two other players.

You're going to be horribly shortstacked either way, so you might as well wait for a better opporunity than 83o.

[The4thFilm]

LOL

[ilya]

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Not with a caller already in front of you.

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I'm only considering this _because_ there is a caller in front of me.

[Pubknight]

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Dealt to mrzarembsky [ 8c 3s ]
WRXtasy_03 is all-In.
vtornik folds.
Digger49 calls [750].

Blinds going up next hand; anybody push here?

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Technically, the question is: would anybody push here?
To which my answer is yes, I have no doubt that there are people that would go all in in that scenario.

Personally, I would not be one of them.

[jeeves]

Ok, I'll admit I'm not the best player around. Educate if you must, but doesn't the fact that a shortstack's desperation all-in has been called by someone who is also shortstacked indicate that the caller has strength? Why would you choose to go all-in here when you almost certainly have the worst of the three hands?

[stupidsucker]

You are in the BB?

If so do you mean call all in with 83o?

not me.. I wait for the next one. You are going in a 3way pot with nill chance to win the hand. Sucks to be getting blinded out, but 83o call is not where I make my stand.

My question is what hand did you have UTG that you either threw away or lost with? If you are considering call/pushing here with such a terrible hand why didnt you push UTG previously?

[Phill S]

hmm. just to play devils advocate. i can see reasons to call.

1, your in the BB, so if you fold youve got just under 600 (if memory serves).

your getting 2-1 on your call as itll be a triple through.

what if the other two have AK, or big aces, or other such scenarios where they share outs (which is likely).

are you a big underdog, yes, can you win it, yes (unlike suckers idea that you have nil chance, itll be bigger thanyou think), do you need to risk this much on this hand, its up to you.

ive put money in on 72 before, sometimes desperation calls for odd moves. this isnt a great hand, or a great opportunity, but its certainly an opportunity.

i think too many of you are saying fold because thats what seems the best move. you dont want people to put you down fo suggesting otherwise. but i can see arguments to calling here.

and would i do it? im not ruling it out. i read an article a fair while back by a big pro player on the european circuit. he talked about when he called an all in with 85 against two opponants. he figured (rightly) they both had AK, so this was a great opportinity to turn his small stack into a fairly large stack, bringing him back from the brink.

now what this all depends on is this:
1, do you figure the other two to be good to great players, the better they are the better it is for you
2, do you need to move here, can you come back form what your left with
3, are you willing to suck it up. lose and re-start in another game in 5 minutes
4, would you prefer that noone will see you make this move and insult you as being stupid (and worse) when it either comes off or not

Phill

[sirtimo]

Nope.... I'd wait. I've got enough chips to get around to the next blind so at least I'd like to see some paint or sooooooted cards before pushing. Besides, your all-in guy either busts out(upping you a spot)or doubles up against the caller taking him (the caller)down to less than your stack.

Regards,
Timo