Two Plus Two Older Archives  

Go Back   Two Plus Two Older Archives > PL/NL Texas Hold'em > Mid-, High-Stakes Pot- and No-Limit Hold'em
FAQ Community Calendar Today's Posts Search

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 10-20-2003, 08:54 AM
hazeelnut hazeelnut is offline
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 24
Default the old paradox

We all know that on the river you shouldnt bet a hand that is likely the best hand but if called it is likely the worst hand. My question is this: how does this concept apply to earlier streets?

Take this hand for example, 3/6 NL, i'm in the big blind with 64o. 2 limpers and the flop comes JJ6 rainbow. Now it's likely that i have the best hand, and it's also a very vulnerable hand so i don't want to give any free cards. But clearly, very few hands worse than this will call my bet on the flop. Should you be more or less inclined to bet with this hand than no hand at all since this hand has some value that gets thrown away with a bet? Whats the play for this hand and similar ones?

Hazeelnut
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 10-20-2003, 08:56 AM
crockpot crockpot is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Urbana, IL
Posts: 2,899
Default Re: the old paradox

i would say your bet here is essentially a bluff, since you cannot expect to get called unless you are drawing very close to dead. i really wouldn't be more inclined to bet this hand than i would 32o in the same situation.
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 10-20-2003, 10:13 AM
tewall tewall is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: midwest
Posts: 1,206
Default Re: the old paradox

I misread the post the first time. I thought the flop was J66. That's a more interesting question. With JJ6 you just hope to show it down.

To answer your more general question, the principle of not betting if you're only likely to get called by a better hand applies to a much less degree because there is another principle involved which usually overrides it which is not to give free cards away. There are times when it does apply (there are no draws which will hurt you, or if there are, it's very unlikly your opponent has that hand), and in these case checking is often the correct play.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 10-20-2003, 10:51 AM
Wardfish Wardfish is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Hull, England
Posts: 71
Default Re: the old paradox

Check & fold to a bet.

Consider betting if another low card comes, eg. giving a board of JJ63 rainbow, and then check & fold to a bet !

In general, I would say you should avoid betting where you will win a small pot or lose a bigger one. This is one of those situations.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:02 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.