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12-23-2004, 12:30 PM
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How often do you see the flop with a pocket pair?
I wrote a program to analyze my hand histories for the past month and discovered that I'm seeing the flop with 92% of my pocket pairs. This is way too high isn't it? Does anyone else have data on this? I also discovered that I'm seeing the flop with 58% of my suited hands which is also too high and I'm working on bringing that number down. I've been playing exclusively PP 2/4. What do you think would be good numbers for both of these stats?
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#3
12-23-2004, 01:26 PM
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Re: How often do you see the flop with a pocket pair?
At a typical party 2/4 table you can (and should) a lot of your pairs --- even from early position depending on the texture of the particular table.
You will always play your A's, K's, and Q's. Not question, right. That's nearly 25% right there. J's, 10's, and 9's are also usually an always situation unless it is raised and/or re-raised to you by a tight player. That's another 23% --- let's just say 20% to discount for the raise/re-raise situation. 8's and lower (just to make it easy to talk about): Late position - no raisers, many callers --- almost always Late position - raiser and/or few callers --- sometimes Mid position - no raisers, many callers --- usually Mid position - raiser and/or few callers --- usually not, depending on texture of table Early position - usually not, depending on table texture Combine those and I would guess about 25% - 30% of the time you should play 8 and lower. That brings me to 75-80%
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#4
12-23-2004, 02:49 PM
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Re: How often do you see the flop with a pocket pair?
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92% is pretty close to my estimate, which I would characterize as "almost always." [/ QUOTE ] I had been worrying that I had developed a major leak and this is further confirmation -- not playing pocket pairs enough. I don't know what my number is but I am certain it is nowhere near 90%. At Party $3/6 I often find it folded to me in MP to LP with a small pocket pair and I feel I can neither raise nor call so I fold.
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#5
12-23-2004, 03:24 PM
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Re: How often do you see the flop with a pocket pair?
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[ QUOTE ] 92% is pretty close to my estimate, which I would characterize as "almost always." [/ QUOTE ] I had been worrying that I had developed a major leak and this is further confirmation -- not playing pocket pairs enough. I don't know what my number is but I am certain it is nowhere near 90%. At Party $3/6 I often find it folded to me in MP to LP with a small pocket pair and I feel I can neither raise nor call so I fold. [/ QUOTE ] That doesn't sound so bad to me, folded to MP3 with 66 and below and i would probably muck unless the players left were weak tight. Against either very passive or very aggresive players it's going to be hard to judge where you are in the hand so i would muck. Anybody think i'm losing value here.
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#7
12-23-2004, 04:03 PM
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Re: How often do you see the flop with a pocket pair?
If I'm MP3 I'll openraise down to 44 at a normal table with average players behind me. The boundary is arbitrary. Also, I don't recall getting many situations where I could openraise small pairs late.
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#8
12-23-2004, 04:05 PM
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Re: How often do you see the flop with a pocket pair?
hmmm, it seems i play pocket pairs a LOT less than you are...i normally won't play anything below 7's to a single raise unless i'm in the blind. for unraised pots, my general rule is to play 2's through 6's only in late position if half the players ahead of me have already called (i normally won't play them in early to mid position)...maybe a little too tight here?
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#9
12-23-2004, 04:06 PM
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Re: How often do you see the flop with a pocket pair?
If my table is typically passive, I'll see the flop with any pocket pair from any position. I won't cold call with it (not necessarily), but that's a departure from the normally passive play I see so it's a big red flag.
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#10
12-23-2004, 04:10 PM
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Re: How often do you see the flop with a pocket pair?
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If I'm MP3 I'll openraise down to 44 at a normal table with average players behind me. The boundary is arbitrary. Also, I don't recall getting many situations where I could openraise small pairs late. [/ QUOTE ] hmmm, i would like some more insight on whether you guys like to open raise with low PP's, even in late position...although you are slightly ahead of an average non PP hand, it seems very difficult to play it aggressively if you get callers, or the blinds defend....especially when 3 overcards fall. what do you all think? this may be a leak in my game in that i don't take advantage of low PP's in late position when it's folded to me...normally i just fold....
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