A nice Photo Op

[Gamblor]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...xem10102071449



While it's possible that this woman began weeping before she encountered the photographers, her position - alone, alongside English graffiti - suggests the scene was staged for maximum emotional impact to a Western audience. It seems these photographers are not merely "capturing the scene", but rather creating it - either actively (by asking her to pose) or passively (allowing themselves to be manipulated by her, posing for their cameras).

The next time you hear about their "desperation", think about this image of an Arab woman crying on demand for the gathered paparazzi. We and all our neighbors are being manipulated by photo editors, journalists and reporters in the field.

[bigpooch]

Obviously staged!

[MattHatter]

This is not unique behavior. And it is completely non constructive approach to the issue. (from both sides)

Why can't we get some peacekeepers in there?


Matt

[Gamblor]

This is not for the peaceniks, this is for the people that take the press at face value and thusly campaign for divestiture from Israel, for sanctions against Israel, and UN peacekeepers.

The Palestinian Arabs have the backing of virtually every single oil-rich Arab state (22 in total), the Israelis have the backing of one powerful state's government but due to media like this, not the powerful state's people.

The Jews don't have the option of going anywhere else, as history has shown us. There is no widespread systematic persecution against Arabs in Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Iraq, Lebanon, or Egypt. The Jews, however...

[MMMMMM]

UN peacekeepers are notoriously ineffective, and the chances that they can keep the suicide bombers out better than the Iraelis can are nil.

[MattHatter]

With international backing.. a multinational peacekeeping force could be very effective. It couldn't do much worse.

At least with some impartial troops there with the intent to resolve things might not stir up so much animosity. When foreign troops look for weapons in a refugee camp it might be more effective and better recived by the palestinians that when the israeli army does it? That's what I would figure.

Then The UN could enforce the geneva conventions there as well. I'll bet this would help calm things down as well. I mean it couldn't hurt? I would agree they (suicide bombers)are not likely to be stopped though. But I would suggest that the Isreali method has been proven not to work, it just feeds the cycle.

It seems to me that no matter the justifications, if it was the the chicken or the egg that came fist, it is a cycle, and someone needs to step in to stop it. Both sides invoved have repeatedly proven themselves incapable.

There have been many proposals for direct international involvement brought before the UN. Almost exclusively Israel, the US, Mashall Islands, stand alone globally against at least even TRYING this sort of thing. I can get the UN vote references.


Matt

[MMMMMM]

Before you get the UN vote references, how about a list of places where UN peacekeepers were ever much more than just show dogs. In other words, they're next to useless--as history has shown.

[MattHatter]

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how about a list of places where UN peacekeepers were ever much more than just show dogs. In other words, they're next to useless--as history has shown. - mmmmmm

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Rather than take the cynics approach, lets try it with the glass half full.

Can you give me example of where the poeple would have been better off without any help at all no matter what pittance the UN was able to provide?

Here is an example of where the UN was completely ineffective: Rwanda - Romeo Dallaire

" General Romeo Dallaire did everything he could, pleading for 2000 more peacekeepers to be added to his insufficiently equipped 3000 man force. If they had answered Gen. Dallaire's pleas, the U.N. could have stopped the slaughter of hundreds of thousands of Rwandans. instead, following the deaths of 10 Belgian Peacekeepers assigned to protect the President, his forces were cut down from 3000 to a mere 500 men, who had to watch as one of the most horrible genocides in human history took place before their very eyes.

Now the problem here is that he couldn't get anyone to listen.. no one cared (at the security council, etc..).
With support from the security council (international community) things could have been different.


Essentially, because they have failed due to no support in the past, you are suggesting that even with international support we just shouldn't bother?

Can you offer no better solution? What value is there in criticizing the UN? What does this add to this debate?

Like I mentioned esentially all other nations on the planet are interested in at least giving it a try, and with the current global state of affairs (ie terrorism) I can't see why the us, israel, the marshall islands would stand essentially alone against even trying.


Matt

PS: Mr Dallaire is a canadian [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[Cyrus]

Yeah, everything that the Palestinians say is a lie. It is, actually, quite obvious.

The pictures showing Palestinians in various states of misery or desperation are all staged. They have al been staged. The accounts of Israeli atrocities are all fake. The photos and the videos are computer-generated. The witnesses are mentally deranged. The Palestinians themselves are the greatest actors the world has ever seen.

We are being denied the truth - and the truth is that the Palestinians are inferior human beings, full of crazy ideas and inflamed by hatred, hellbent on murder and rampage. They are in every sense an inferior species. They should all be exterminated like cockroaches.

...Go, Ariel!

[Gamblor]

Hyperbole, rhetoric, and accusations of genocide all within 2 hrs!

You should run for Chairman of the PA.

Of course, even declaring your candidacy is grounds for murder nowadays. Remember the mayor of a Palestinian village, Zuhir Hamdan, who publicly stated that his villagers preferred to live, not under Arafat, but Israel?

He was gunned down by Force 17 members. Yep, Arafat's personal security team.