a flop check after capping and flopping and all that.

[bisonbison]

Party 3/6, couple nights ago. good table.

UTG+2 is decent.
MP1 is loose.
SB is laggy.

CO is a known lagball. I've already got 150 hands with him when he sits down a couple of orbits before this hand. He plays half his hands, raises 1/5th of them. His postflop aggression number is 1.5.


Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">CO 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, CO calls, SB calls, MP1 calls.

Flop: (18 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, MP1 checks, Hero checks...

FPS? FOS? SOP?

[Lost Wages]

FPS? FOS? SOP?

WTF?

LW

[bisonbison]

Fancy Play Syndrome?
Full of Shoelaces?
Standard Operating Procedure?

bisonbisonbisonbison.

[littlejohn]

SOP in my opinion. If he is laggy like you say - there's no way he lets it get checked through 4 players. LAG's don't allow that to happen, regardless of the PF action (even if his postflop aggression number is low). So you get the most bets in the pot here by CR'ing.

But I may not know what I'm talking about.

[dfscott]

I think I bet the flop and hope CO raises to fold out the weak draws. There's not a lot of them since you don't care about lone [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or aces, and anyone with two [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] isn't going anywhere. I guess the only thing you could hope to fold is AT, a J that might pair later, or an unlikely Q9, but I think I'd do this anyway.

[Danenania]

This is fine I think though it wouldn't occur to me. I would just bet, let him raise, then 3-bet hopefully catching the other two players in between who didn't believe the lag's raise meant anything.

P.S. Are you trying to quit capital letters? If so good luck. I've tried and it's tough. Read e.e. cummings for inspiration.

[bisonbison]

I just like to leave bisonbison uncapitalized because it looks more uniform. I don't fail to capitalize en masse.

[Anders_G]

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I would just bet, let him raise, then 3-bet hopefully catching the other two players in between who didn't believe the lag's raise meant anything.

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I think that's the way to do it too. If you bet and the LAG raise you drive weak draws out and you charge the flushdraw maximum to se turn.
I think the check-raise is too risky with a flop like that, if the LAG decides that his hand isn't good (yes, that happens people) a lot of 2nd best hands are given a good chanse to draw you out, to me it's not worth the risk. That, combined with the fact that you can charge him (and any caller) for 3 bets if he raise you makes betting the better move.

[Danenania]

I'm referring more to your subject line. Work with me here!

[Evan]

Fancy play. Getting this checked through blows big donkey nuts.

Seriously, 1.5 AF is not high. I just looked at mine and its 2.93 (I have no idea if that's good, bad or awful...but I know its higher).

I see no reason not to bet here.