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Limit 08 hand, flop question
Is this flop worth calling? I had several runner runner draws:
Nut high straight Nut low / non-nut low Low straight Nut Flush How do you calculate the pot odds for runner runner draws? Or should I have just tossed the hand on the flop? -- PokerStars 0.05/0.10 Omaha/8 (10 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>. Flop: (13 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, CO calls, Hero calls, SB calls. Turn: (9 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO calls, Hero folds, SB folds. River: (12 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $0.02 (All-In)</font>, UTG+1 calls, CO folds. Final Pot: 12.40 BB Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF"> UTG has 3s Js 6h 2d (High: one pair, jacks). UTG+1 has Ah Qd Jd Qc (High: three of a kind, queens). Outcome: UTG+1 wins 12.40 BB. </font> |
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Re: Limit 08 hand, flop question
rule of thumb I use is to count a backdoor draw to the nuts as 1 out. Any other runner runner, realize they are there but count them as nothing.
On this flop, you may be getting large pot odds, but really the only card you want to see turn is the deuce of spades, which gives you the most outs to see the river. Honestly, fold this on the flop. All those backdoor draws would be nice if you had at least one primary draw somewhere. As you don't they account for maybe 1.5 outs (liberally). Dump it. |
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Re: Limit 08 hand, flop question
I would fold here. If you had a backdoor nut low draw, then I think 15:1 would be enough, but in this particular case I don't think all your weak draws add up to enough to make a call have a positive expectation.
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Re: Limit 08 hand, flop question
I'd toss it on the flop. I don't count runner-runners as outs at all myself.
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Re: Limit 08 hand, flop question
Fold. You missed the flop.
Unless you're at my table ... then call those runner-runners all night. |
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Re: Limit 08 hand, flop question
Thanks for the advice, I knew it was borderline at best. Next time it's tossed on the flop.
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