Value Bet This River? Value Bets in S&G's

tubbyspencer · #1 08-25-2004, 10:24 PM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t20 (8 handed) converter

saw flop|saw showdown

MP2 (t1430)
CO (t1460)
Hero (t3090)
SB (t1480)
BB (t1670)
UTG (t1550)
UTG+1 (t1320)
MP1 (t1500)

Preflop: Hero is Button with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, MP1 calls t20, 1 fold, CO calls t20, Hero raises to t100, SB calls t90, 1 fold, MP1 folds, CO folds.

Flop: (t260) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t100, SB raises to t200, Hero calls t100.

Turn: (t660) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets t100, Hero calls t100.

River: (t860) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: t860
Main Pot: t860 (t860), between Hero and SB.

Question 1: Bet this river or classic case of only called if beaten?

Question 2: Do you generally value bet less often in a S&G than in a ring game?

NotMitch · #2 08-25-2004, 10:37 PM

I do not bet that river because if I get raised I want to shoot myself.

tubbyspencer · #3 08-25-2004, 10:47 PM

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I do not bet that river because if I get raised I want to shoot myself.

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Well, that's why I didn't. But how about the second part? Doesn't this show how value bets are less EV in tournaments?

NotMitch · #4 08-25-2004, 11:07 PM

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Well, that's why I didn't. But how about the second part? Doesn't this show how value bets are less EV in tournaments?

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It depends, I think you still need to value bet but a medium overpair on a scary board is not the place to do it. Change your hand to KK and its much more interesting.

Phill S · #5 08-26-2004, 07:47 AM

i wouldnt bet the river. like you say, if yor called, your prolly beaten. if he raises your even more beaten.

as for the hand, id have re-raised him on the flop. you have overpair and big stack. find out where you are. a further 200 on him should suffice. if he raises all in its a fold. if he calls your prolly ahead.

you may have been ahead with him having flush drawing and one or two overcards. but i wouldnt be getting involved with him if i knew that.

Phill

DaffyDuck · #6 08-26-2004, 11:29 PM

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I do not bet that river because if I get raised I want to shoot myself.

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That is so true and so absolutely friggin' funny.

Bob