Hiatus hand #2: Botched AQo in the BB

durron597 · #1 07-11-2005, 01:28 AM

I usually don't raise AQo in the BB, because I don't want to play a big pot out of position. But I almost always end up playing a big pot when the ace flops.... and then I end up with a board containing 4 to broadway.

I think I botched this hand pretty bad, what do you all think? $6+.50 Turbo on Stars.

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter

CO (t1410)
Button (t1425)
SB (t1320)
Hero (t1740)
UTG (t1340)
UTG+1 (t1275)
MP1 (t1340)
MP2 (t2000)
MP3 (t1650)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 1 fold, MP2 calls t50, MP3 calls t50, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t250) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero bets t250, UTG+1 folds, MP2 raises to t500, MP3 folds, SB folds, Hero calls t250.

Turn: (t1250) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, MP2 bets t500, Hero calls t500.

River: (t2250) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets t690 (All-In), MP2 calls t690.

Final Pot: t3630

Bigwig · #2 07-11-2005, 01:32 AM

I would not lead out on this flop. It's far too coordinated, and there are far too many opponents. I would check and see what happens.

rydazzle · #3 07-11-2005, 01:42 AM

Interesting on the non-raise PF, big pots OOP are bad, but so is being OOP with 5 players. I'd take the former personally and raise. this might have also brought out the monster in hiding...

durron597 · #4 07-11-2005, 01:53 AM

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I would not lead out on this flop. It's far too coordinated, and there are far too many opponents. I would check and see what happens.

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Alright, say it's checked to MP2 who bets 150. Folded back to me. Do you call or raise?

Scuba Chuck · #5 07-11-2005, 01:56 AM

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t50 (9 handed) converter

CO (t1410)
Button (t1425)
SB (t1320)
Hero (t1740)
UTG (t1340)
UTG+1 (t1275)
MP1 (t1340)
MP2 (t2000)
MP3 (t1650)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
1 fold, UTG+1 calls t50, 1 fold, MP2 calls t50, MP3 calls t50, 2 folds, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (t250) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG+1 checks, MP2 raises to t250, MP3 folds, SB folds, Hero raises t500 , UTG+1 folds, MP2 raises to t1000 , Hero folds .

FYP

If, and I emphasize if, you are going to play this flop, I think this route is preferred and cheaper.

Scuba

Bigwig · #6 07-11-2005, 01:56 AM

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I would not lead out on this flop. It's far too coordinated, and there are far too many opponents. I would check and see what happens.

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Alright, say it's checked to MP2 who bets 150. Folded back to me. Do you call or raise?

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Without a read, I call.

lastchance · #7 07-11-2005, 01:57 AM

The flop play is really bad, IMHO.

I think you either push/fold AQ on the flop to the MP2 raise if you want to bet out. Too many bad cards out there for you to think about calling there. I probably fold.

I also might check here, which I don't think is that bad of a line, as you get to see action behind you before deciding if your hand is good.

When MP2 bets out against me, I'm thinking either "raise now" or "wait to turn to lead" and I think both lines work.

Scuba Chuck · #8 07-11-2005, 02:02 AM

I know this is a $6.50, but let's move on to level 2 thinking...

There's 5 to the flop here. What's the likelihood villain(s) have:

A) Two hearts
B) QJ
C) Ax
D) KT
E) KQ
F) AT

I put all those in order of most likely to least likely. And fankly, I think that A, B & C are close. Your hand against this range is pretty bad IMO. This is precisely the reason I like checking with 5 to the flop here.

durron597 · #9 07-11-2005, 07:37 AM

Wait.... what????

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I know this is a $6.50, but let's move on to level 2 thinking...

There's 5 to the flop here. What's the likelihood villain(s) have:

A) Two hearts

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12.5 outs twice (assuming he has Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] or J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]), I am ahead and I really don't want to give him a free card. But there are 110 ways for him to have 2 hearts, unless we throw out the crap like Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], but I don't think we can in a 6.50.

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B) QJ

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Unlikely since I have a Queen, but there are 12 ways he can have that.

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C) Ax

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I love this hand for him to have, and I'm killing it. 72 ways.

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D) KT

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Worst possible hand except AT for him to have, but you yourself said it's not as likely. I think the times he has Ax make up for it though.

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E) KQ

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Another hand I'm killing.

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F) AT

I put all those in order of most likely to least likely. And fankly, I think that A, B & C are close. Your hand against this range is pretty bad IMO. This is precisely the reason I like checking with 5 to the flop here.

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Yes, I am way behind to AT. But:

You can't but villian on this hand range until AFTER he miniraises me on the flop. Also note that only QJ has a jack in his hand. It's the only hand I'm drawing *really* badly too, even if he has KT I have 8 outs and AT I have 6. Which is enough to call the miniraise since I am crushing other hands in his range. The hands you say are most likely to him to have, I am ahead of 182 out of 194. And 110 of those I hate to give a free card too.

Actually with your post I feel like this hand is much less of a botch, because you basically remove most of the jacks from his hand, which means I'm almost certainly best on the turn.

I feel like Sklansky would beat me over the head with a hammer if I check-called the flop and the turn was a 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].

durron597 · #10 07-11-2005, 07:40 AM

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I also might check here, which I don't think is that bad of a line, as you get to see action behind you before deciding if your hand is good.

When MP2 bets out against me, I'm thinking either "raise now" or "wait to turn to lead" and I think both lines work.

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My only gripe with this line is, what happens if MP2 has 2 hearts. I certainly don't want to check-call, and I feel like check-raising (in general, not in the case he has 2 hearts) is spewing.

I check this flop 100% of the time rainbow.