You have to know when to fold 'em

jacki · #1 06-24-2004, 04:07 PM

Sorry about the lame Kenny Rogers reference, but....
I felt like I did a ton of folding today after raising preflop.
All at typical goofball Party .50-1 tables.
Tell what you think of any of these laydowns....

HAND 1
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter

Preflop: JACKI is SB with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 raises, 2 folds, JACKI 3-bets, BB calls, UTG folds, MP2 caps, JACKI calls, BB calls.

Flop: (13 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
JACKI checks, BB checks, MP2 bets, JACKI calls, BB calls.

Turn: (8 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
JACKI bets, BB calls, MP2 folds. MP2 thought a while before folding, said after the hand he had QQ 

River: (10 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
JACKI checks, BB bets, JACKI folds.

Final Pot: 11 BB
Main Pot: 10 BB, won by BB.
Pot 2: 1 BB, returned to BB.

Outcome: BB wins 11 BB.

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HAND2:
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: JACKI is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, JACKI raises, SB calls, 1 fold, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (15 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (7 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, JACKI folds, SB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

Turn: (10 BB) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, MP3 calls, CO calls, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, MP2 3-bets, MP3 folds, CO folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (21 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 23 BB
Main Pot: 23 BB, between MP1 and MP2. > Pot won by MP1 (23 BB).

Results in white below: 
MP1 shows 3h 7d (straight, jack high).
MP2 shows 8s Ks (two pair, kings and eights).
Outcome: MP1 wins 23 BB. 

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HAND 3:
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: JACKI is UTG+1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
1 fold, JACKI raises, 1 fold, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 2 folds, SB calls, 1 fold,

Flop: (9 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, JACKI raises, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, SB calls.

Turn: (7.50 BB) A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, JACKI folds, MP1 calls.

River: (9.50 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB bets, MP1 calls.

Final Pot: 11.50 BB
Main Pot: 11.50 BB, between SB and MP1. > Pot won by SB (11.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
SB shows 7s 7d (three of a kind, sevens).
MP1 shows 6c 5c (one pair, fives).
Outcome: SB wins 11.50 BB. 

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HAND 4
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: JACKI is SB with T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 raises, 2 folds, JACKI 3-bets, 1 fold, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (16 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (5 players)
JACKI bets, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (10.50 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
JACKI checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks.

River: (10.50 BB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
JACKI checks, UTG bets, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP3 calls, JACKI folds.

Final Pot: 13.50 BB
Main Pot: 13.50 BB, between MP3, UTG and UTG+1. > Pot won by MP3 (13.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
UTG shows 5c 8c (one pair, fives).
UTG+1 shows Kd 6c (high card, ace).
MP3 shows Kc Ks (one pair, kings).
Outcome: MP3 wins 13.50 BB. 

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HAND 5:
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: JACKI is UTG+2 with K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
2 folds, JACKI raises, 1 fold, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB calls, BB calls,

Flop: (8 SB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB bets, BB calls, JACKI folds, MP2 calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB bets, BB folds, MP2 calls.

River: (7.50 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
SB checks, MP2 checks.

Final Pot: 7.50 BB
Main Pot: 7.50 BB, between SB and MP2. > Pot won by MP2 (7.50 BB).

Results in white below: 
SB shows 8d Qs (two pair, eights and sevens).
MP2 shows As 6d (full house, sixes full of sevens).
Outcome: MP2 wins 7.50 BB. 

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HAND 6
Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: JACKI is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
3 folds, MP1 calls, 1 fold, MP3 calls, 1 fold, JACKI raises, 1 fold, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (8.50 SB) T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (4 players)
BB bets, MP1 raises, MP3 folds, JACKI folds, BB calls.

Turn: (6.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, BB calls.

River: (8.25 BB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, MP1 bets, BB calls.

Final Pot: 10.25 BB
Main Pot: 10.25 BB, between MP1 and BB. > Pot won by MP1 (10.25 BB).

Results in white below: 
BB shows Jd 9h (straight, queen high).
MP1 shows 9s 9d (full house, nines full of eights).
Outcome: MP1 wins 10.25 BB.

SomethingClever · #2 06-24-2004, 04:54 PM

Too many hands too look at in one post.... but I looked at the first two.

Hand 1: bet the flop. Bet the turn, fold there if you're re-raised. No point in folding the river for just one bet after you bet out the turn and were only called!

Hand 2: You saved the maximum amount of bets by folding when you did... but I wonder if a raise is worth it on the flop. You might knock out a few players that have to call 2 bets, but with that many players in the pot, you could easily be behind the first bettor. Anyone else got an opinion on this?

jacki · #3 06-24-2004, 07:57 PM

nobody cares that I folded JJ for 1 SB with 17 SBs in the pot?