How low can you go...

[Stinkybeaver]

So today I got rid of my poker edge. (I got my first warning today. it was from Party poker and I haven't got any money with them currently so I need not to worry)

But one question has come up to me quite a few times. While using PE I would see several TAGs with VP$IP% around 15 and a few below.

How low can your go with your VP$IP and still be winning atleast 1BB/100..?

I'm at 18,5-19 trying to squize in more marginal hands.

[Uglyowl]

What level of play?

[Stinkybeaver]

I know this also has to due with playing stykes etc. but as I said when using PE i saw a bunch of 15/7/1,8 players. I've since wondered at which rate these guys where winning.

this is from 2/4$

[ianlippert]

I'm a 15 TAG, FWIW I had a win rate of 2.77BB/100 over 25K hands at .5/1

It seems like the average is 18 so I worry about this a lot. But really the difference between a 15 and an 18 is 3 hands out of a 100. And its not hands like the 15 doesnt play ATo, its more situations. So and 18 may call an UTG raise with AJo where as the 15 might not, or something marginal along those lines. I worry about it less as I realise that post flop play is more important as thats where you lose all your money. Also, I 4 table the 1/2 so 15 lets me play better post flop.

[thesharpie]

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And its not hands like the 15 doesnt play ATo, its more situations. So and 18 may call an UTG raise with AJo where as the 15 might not, or something marginal along those lines.

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What? An 18% (assuming he's a winning player) isn't going to put himself in unprofitable situations like calling an UTG raise with AJo, he's going to be playing more marginally profitable hands usually for 1 SB.

[Erik W]

Those marginal hands can add 20% more profit.

At 1/2 as u play 3BB/100 is rake.
Another 3.5 BB/100 is lost money from the blind positions
so u start -6.5 BB/100.
With all the really good hands say u get up to 2BB/100.
That is 8.5 BB/100 on these hands.

Add some marginal hands that is winners and u might add another 0.5 BB/100. That is really tiny against the 8.5 BB but it is pure winnings ontop of the rest.

That is what u get when u add more hands.
Playing AA is simples. Playing TJo from Button can be an art
and is here u learn how to play good postflop when u r put in difficult situations like a KT2r flop. How much heat can u take with your hand before u let it go. What players are u up against, how to adjust? How do they play their hands?

[sfer]

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So today I got rid of my poker edge. (I got my first warning today. it was from Party poker and I haven't got any money with them currently so I need not to worry)

But one question has come up to me quite a few times. While using PE I would see several TAGs with VP$IP% around 15 and a few below.

How low can your go with your VP$IP and still be winning atleast 1BB/100..?

I'm at 18,5-19 trying to squize in more marginal hands.

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Thinking situationally is better than targeting stats.

[Stinkybeaver]

Yeah I know not to think on stats...

Anyways I quickly learned not to call UTG raises with AJo so an 18% VP$Ip doesn't have to do stuff like this.

I was just curious since I thought i was being tight.

[toss]

I have a question. Are there types of tables that can actually force your vpip to 16 or lower? My guess would be a table where the only action comes from blind steals.

[ianlippert]

k, mabey AJo calling was a bad example. The point I was trying to make is that a 3% difference in vpip isnt that much. The 3 hands out of 100 are going to be marginal, and are going to be based more on reads. Reads that you cant get multitabling.