another 33 hand

mr pink · #1 04-30-2005, 12:45 AM

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shortstacked utg raises, utg+2 cold calls, i tag along with 33, folded to an unknown button who calls 2, sb folds, bb calls. 5 to the flop for 10ish sbs

flop: 6 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 4 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]

checked to me, huh?, i check, button bets, folded around back to me, wha?, i raise, yah?

JoshuaD · #2 04-30-2005, 01:09 AM

I fold this PF, it doesn't seem marginal to me. Is anyone else cold calling here?

If the flop didn't have an A I'd raise, but as it is I just fold. The pot's small.

mr pink · #3 04-30-2005, 01:18 AM

errantnight kind of convinced me in a post in some pbob thread a couple days ago. basically after 1 coldcaller, he cold calls with any pocket pair.

pot is pretty nice on the flop, you don't think it's worth playing back at the button who could just be betting his position on that ragged flop?

Willluck · #4 04-30-2005, 01:31 AM

Pink, being the read-dependent player you are, the line you took is completely read dependent. so...any reads?
I would only cold call if I had good position.

P.S. I just won a freeroll to step 5 BIATCH!

chesspain · #5 04-30-2005, 01:40 AM

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pot is pretty nice on the flop, you don't think it's worth playing back at the button who could just be betting his position on that ragged flop?

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But what kind of hand are you representing by checkraising next to last out of five players? Your play looks most like either a poorly played monster or outright bullshit. Unless the button has absolutely nothing, I don't see him folding...but what I do see happening is you now being heads-up OOP on an A-high board, likely either far behind or ahead against unknown outs.

mr pink · #6 04-30-2005, 04:54 PM

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But what kind of hand are you representing by checkraising next to last out of five players? Your play looks most like either a poorly played monster or outright bullshit. Unless the button has absolutely nothing, I don't see him folding...but what I do see happening is you now being heads-up OOP on an A-high board, likely either far behind or ahead against unknown outs.

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ut looks like i'm representing some piece of the board, it doesn't really matter what it is from the button's perspective. if he was just betting his position, i'm basically calling bs on his bet and putting the pressure back on him. with that flop, and all the coldcallers before him, there are a ton of hands he could be holding that don't have an Ace and totally missed that flop. something like 9Ts, JQ, KJs, QTs etc... button has nothing a lot in this spot. if he's got a good ace then it's an easy fold to a 3-bet. if he calls the c/r, i plan on firing at any turn and giving up if called. don't you think it a turn bet will take it down 1 in 7 here?

mr pink · #7 04-30-2005, 04:56 PM

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Pink, being the read-dependent player you are, the line you took is completely read dependent. so...any reads?
I would only cold call if I had good position.

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he just sat down last orbit, gimme a break.

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P.S. I just won a freeroll to step 5 BIATCH!

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i have no idea what youre talking about.

chesspain · #8 04-30-2005, 05:03 PM

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with that flop, and all the coldcallers before him, there are a ton of hands he could be holding that don't have an Ace and totally missed that flop. something like 9Ts, JQ, KJs, QTs etc... button has nothing a lot in this spot.

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Yeah, except that his nothing is either a PP or two "overcards" to the board, especially since he knows that you don't have an ace or else you would have bet the first time around. Consequently, I don't see him folding so easily to a turn bet.

mr pink · #9 04-30-2005, 05:13 PM

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Yeah, except that his nothing is either a PP or two "overcards" to the board, especially since he knows that you don't have an ace or else you would have bet the first time around. Consequently, I don't see him folding so easily to a turn bet.

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so you're saying that there is no chance i have the best hand here? and that it's not even worth going after? check/folding to the button's autobet here which could be any 2 cards in a 11sb pot can't be right, i have the best hand too often. i think he'll have to pair up on the turn to have stay around till the river, and even then it's not like he knows my hand is total bs...

Yobz · #10 04-30-2005, 05:16 PM

I would fold preflop, but I like the flop bet.