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Old 11-13-2005, 09:05 PM
W. Deranged W. Deranged is offline
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Default Re: TPTK ON SAME SUIT FLOP

My thought is this:

1. You are never protecting against a flush draw.

2. If a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] hits you are losing this hand, period. Attempting to fold out medium [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]s is silly because the odds you are up against a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] A or facecard is so high.

3. Hands that don't have flush draws have like 3 outs against you, and so might be marginally correct in calling one bet behind you. BUT, with the monotone flop, hands like KJo (without a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]) likely will fold the flop anyway because the board is so scary and even oblivious players realize that chasing on monotone boards is silly.

4. A non-[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] turn GREATLY increases your equity here. We get much better value from a big [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] draw charging them 1 SB on the flop and 2 BB on a blank turn rather than charging 2 SB on the flop (when a big heart draw may actually have an equity edge against the field) and 1 BB on the turn.

5. We can simply fold a [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] turn while only having invested 1 SB.

So it seems to me that waiting to raise the turn is significantly better here.
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